Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

That's good gear you is smoking Haystack :-)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11244995/Rochester-by-election-How-Ed-Miliband-turned-expected-defeat-into-utter-disaster.html

Fish and Chip paper! Mouth piece of Party CO.

Haystack is quite correct. Cameron is doing a fantastic job as PM, Osborne is doing a great job as Chancellor, and the Tories will comfortably win most seats in May.

Cameron has an image problem because he's tried to engage with the public by pretending he's a normal, middle class bloke that you could encounter in any bar on a Friday night. He's missed the point that the public want somebody they can look up to and respect as their leader.

Once he cottons on to that simple fact, raises the rhetoric on immigration and the EU, and moves Tory policy closer towards the centre ground which is currently shifting increasingly to the right, he'll be fine.

Disastrous night for Labour and Milibland though. He must be gutted to see that 77% of the Rochester and Strood electorate voted for parties to the right of centre, at a time he's wandering aimlessly to the left.

Another lunatic as escaped from the asylum!

Hays watch out there is a "lady" about!

Besides the "kitchen sink", how much did it cost the Con party to lose the bye election?

Some may be conned by an ex PR agent, but with the number of mistakes Cameron is making, the G/E may be different.

I wonder how many of the Con party will have flown the country by then.


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Bill Cash MP: The EU has become an undemocratic German-dominated Europe

An increasingly assertive German Europe is at odds with British national interests



'Far from preventing instability, the treaties from Maastricht onwards have generated it' Photo: JOHN COBB



By Bill Cash MP

12:35PM GMT 18 Nov 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11237986/Bill-Cash-MP-The-EU-has-become-an-undemocratic-German-dominated-Europe.html



In 1997, a few years after the Maastricht Rebellion, Thomas Kielinger of Die Welt wrote Crossroads and Roundabouts, about the contrast between the German vision of Europe and the UK’s commitment to its Parliament and the national interest. We have since done Kielinger’s roundabouts and are now truly at the crossroads of the European Union on the big, historic landscape of the 21st century.


Tomorrow, I will introduce a debate in the House of Commons about the UK and Germany in Europe. An increasingly assertive German Europe is at odds with British national interests. This, for me, was one of the mainsprings of the Maastricht Rebellion, but it has been exacerbated by the consequences of the present treaties as a whole.


For example, we are told that the Single Market is the prime reason for our engagement in the European project. But, although over 40 per cent of our trade is with Europe, our trade deficit with the other 27 member states is £56 billion. It is rarely pointed out that we have a substantial surplus with the rest of the world for the same goods and services. Our growth is being dragged down by the sclerotic eurozone. By contrast, the German surplus within Europe is £51.8 billion.


Furthermore, the majority voting system in the EU Council of Ministers profoundly (despite a transitional arrangement) changed on 1 November, effectively giving Germany and France with a few small states the power to determine European decision-making.


The European Scrutiny Committee, of which I was elected chairman in 2010, argued unanimously and strongly in November 2013 that the Government should reintroduce the veto. In the White Paper of 1971, which was the basis of our passing of the European Communities Act in 1972, it was promised that the veto would never be abandoned. This promise was broken, and so my committee unanimously proposed that the formula "notwithstanding the European Communities Act 1972" should be applied to Westminster legislation where it is in our national interest to do so, in order to override European laws and the Court of Justice and regain our right to govern ourselves.


The European project based on Maastricht and the successive treaties has undermined the credibility and efficacy of European integration. This is now reinforced by the practical and visible impact of the endemic protests and riots in the streets of European cities and by massive youth and other unemployment in several member states which has reached obscene levels of up to 60 per cent. I predicted this outcome in my book Against A Federal Europe in the early Nineties, along with the consequent emergence of the far-Right, and that this would be followed by massive waves of immigration from central and eastern Europe. No one can say that this has not happened.


Far from preventing instability, the treaties from Maastricht onwards have generated it; and far from containing German domination of the EU, they have stimulated it.

Ten days ago, at a conference under the treaties in Rome of the chairmen of the parliamentary committees for each member state and the European Parliament, the German delegation formally proposed a defence commissioner, a defence council of ministers and an EU military headquarters. As chairman of the European Scrutiny Committee, I argued strongly against this with Sir Malcolm Bruce and Mike Gapes. The British delegation defeated the proposal, but the German delegation insisted that "it will have to be put back on the agenda at the next conference" and added ominously that "Great Britain will simply not be able to maintain their line".

We are now, indeed, at an historic moment at the crossroads of the European Union. For all the protestations, the European Union has morphed into an increasingly undemocratic German-dominated Europe, with Britain unacceptably relegated to the second tier and with low-EU growth deeply affecting our otherwise successful economic revival.

The fundamental change needed in our relationship with the EU is the reassertion of Westminster sovereignty and democracy. Democratically, politically and economically, the EU needs the United Kingdom and has done so for generations. We want trade and cooperation, not European government. Cameron was right to state in his Bloomberg speech that "Our national parliament is the root of our democracy." It is not sufficient to reform at the margins. We must resolve the European (and therefore the German) question on our own terms. If negotiations for this purpose cannot be resolved, we must leave the treaties and lead Europe on the right road to stability and peace, both for ourselves and for Europe as a whole.

As Churchill said, we must be "associated, but not absorbed". We must successfully lead a policy of an association of nation states. Then, we shall be able to say, as did William Pitt in 1805, that "England has saved herself by her exertions and will, as I trust, save Europe by her example."

I recommend that everyone on here reads post 50913 above at least once and maybe twice. Particularly this bit:

We are now, indeed, at an historic moment at the crossroads of the European Union. For all the protestations, the European Union has morphed into an increasingly undemocratic German-dominated Europe, with Britain unacceptably relegated to the second tier and with low-EU growth deeply affecting our otherwise successful economic revival.

The fundamental change needed in our relationship with the EU is the reassertion of Westminster sovereignty and democracy. Democratically, politically and economically, the EU needs the United Kingdom and has done so for generations. We want trade and cooperation, not European government. Cameron was right to state in his Bloomberg speech that "Our national parliament is the root of our democracy." It is not sufficient to reform at the margins. We must resolve the European (and therefore the German) question on our own terms. If negotiations for this purpose cannot be resolved, we must leave the treaties and lead Europe on the right road to stability and peace, both for ourselves and for Europe as a whole.

As Churchill said, we must be "associated, but not absorbed". We must successfully lead a policy of an association of nation states. Then, we shall be able to say, as did William Pitt in 1805, that "England has saved herself by her exertions and will, as I trust, save Europe by her example."

It's now time to put into effect a massive push to leave behind our membership of the EU and lead the beginnings of a new or much changed Eurpoean organisation from outside.

Over to you Fred , for your long winded reply , of mis quotes and a silly history of the EU , on how it as prevented another war in Europe

I think it has helped to stop another European war. It is interesting to note that one of the targets programmed into France's nuclear weapons was Germany for many years.

Oh yeah and that's another reason why us looney right wing "Con Kipper Party" scum don't like being in Europe.. it's has helped prevent a world war.

Stan - 21 Nov 2014 14:22 - 50917 of 50918
Oh yeah and that's another reason why us looney right wing "Con Kipper Party" scum don't like being in Europe.. it's has helped prevent a world war.

I bet you were frothing at the mouth when you typed that garbage. Is it day release from the nut house again?

Hilary,

You should know.

I would have thought you were a perfect candidate for an asylum as an inmate.

Well illary you should know all about nut houses, prisons etc. as I'm sure that you are very well aquatinted with both them.. now P off and do try to be a better inmate.. although I doubt very much if thats possible in your case.

Nice pic of Fred and gf.

Funny, thought it was a pic of you.. before and after.

surely more like eric pickles b4 and after

cynic I take you to be a clever man .so can you tell me how the fca can investigate libor without investigating the boe who were sent a letter from the fed telling them off wrong doing and never acted ,can the boe people walk away with out charges
if the fed are telling the truth thanks in advance

Hays,

Again you appear to be using the most intelligent part of yourself to think with.






Mind if you cosy up to Grant he may give you the next C+P or mantras to repeat.

Might even offer you a seat to stand for after the next election when the tory incumbents lose them.


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Message from HQ for Wavy Dave is determined to win Rochester back at the next election.

That is the kiss of death for the next tory candidate there.

Why don't you apply, you seem out of work and you party needs you!