Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

db4,

There is not a cat's chance in hell that SNP will do a deal with the tories.

Especially, as they will see Cameron has renegaded on HIS said "devolution", which he can't or won't give them.

Mind he could promise, then another of his Referendum at the same time of the one on EU, which he has promised, but won't occur.

A referendum,which will never have the words of IN or OUT.

Cameron has overplayed his hand and the majority of voters know it!
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But personally, I would like to see a central left coalition which would represent the majority of voters and the UK society.

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Devolution is a daft idea, but which government was responsible for the centralisation of government power during their periods of office ?

You have got it in one, Maggie.

What is needed is honest representation of the different areas of the UK and changes of the 2 tier government we have at present with proportional representation of both tiers.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

if it ever came true...........which it wont.........

Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 21 Nov 2014 17:25 - 50942 of 50943

It makes no difference who the SNP will side with. If Labour loses most of its Scottish seats then the Conservatives will have the most seats. Maybe not a majority, but the most. The party with the most seats gets the first chance to form a government.....ends


who the hell would want to get in bed with deceptive dave, certainly not the SNP, certainly not UKIP, certainly not the liberals after the pounding they have taken under deceptive dave..............who does that leave ohhhhhh the Greens..........not on your life.

Im afraid your in it to win it by yourself Hays.

Dream on dick head.

honest representation
not a snowball's chance; i doubt that there has ever been such a thing in politics
even when there was a wartime coalition, it was not open and honest, which of course it couldn't possibly be

at least with a plutocracy you know exactly how the land lies :-)

"Fred1new - 21 Nov 2014 17:32 - 50945 of 50947

db4,

There is not a cat's chance in hell that SNP will do a deal with the tories."

The SNP will do a deal with the devil if necessary to get what they want!

Whats that, something to do with popeye?

Spot on db, Labour our history in Scotland!

Sound familiar? LOL!!! ........ SNP should top up benefits, says Gordon Brown


THE Scottish Parliament should be allowed to use its funds to top up some benefits payments to tackle poverty and injustice, former prime minister Gordon Brown has suggested.

Mr Brown, who played a key role in the referendum campaign, has suggested 17 powers he believes should be transferred north as part of the pledge to deliver further devolution.

The Smith Commission, set up by the UK Government to examine what changes should be made, is due to report back next week.

Speaking ahead of the Commission’s report, Mr Brown called for Holyrood ministers to be given a “very clear power” that would allow them to increase benefit payments north of the border.

The former Labour leader said that transferring powers over areas such as transport, infrastructure, employment, attendance allowance and housing benefit would give Scotland the chance to “formulate policies with the United Kingdom that will actually eliminate poverty and unemployment if we do it right”.

He added: “I want us to think positively, constructively, about the next few years, whatever your views were in the referendum, how we can use the powers that we will have as part of the United Kingdom.”

Mr Brown called on politicians to “bury the divisions of the Yes and No campaign and move forward as one nation”.

He said: “I would give the Scottish Parliament the power to top up social security benefits if that is its wish to use its resources to do so. I do not want another bedroom tax fiasco.

“I would give a very clear power to the Scottish Parliament that it would be able to top up benefits if it thought in the interests of reducing poverty and injustice in this country that it was necessary to do so.”

The Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath MP added: “Someone, somewhere, some time soon has got to put to the people of Scotland a programme, a social and economic programme, for bringing Scotland together, for uniting this country, for healing the divisions, for showing how all the energy we saw in the referendum can be best deployed to help create jobs, to create prosperity, improve the life of our communities, improve the social fabric of our cities our towns and our villages, and to deal with the perennial problems we still have to deal with of poverty and deprivation.”



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LIVING IN NORWAY
2:41 PM on 21/11/2014
As if Jim Murphy couldn't kill of Labour in Scotland by himself here comes Gordon Brown to lend a hand.

Thank you Gordon. Only you can push Labour support under 20 percent. Only you can push SNP membership over 100,000.

Thank you Gordon. You are SNPs biggest asset!


MCSCUNNER
1:23 PM on 21/11/2014
While the SNP's answer to globalisation, slow growth, poverty and inequality is always 'independence'; the better answer is global co-operation, investment in education and innovation, a strategy for full employment and the empowerment of poor communities through redistribution of resources to them. And these policies are best achieved by a strong Scottish Parliament but not losing the benefits we have by being part of the UK."

What a load of old rhetoric Gordon, Jack McConell's administration tried this bumph, when you were chancellor, in Stranraer under a Pathfinder Project. 3 years of talk talk tallk as local labour councillors tried to sabotage the project because it wasn't being run for their benefit. They undermined the Health Board, the management, social work, their own community and lastly themselves before the whole thing finished in an acrimonious waste of time and resources.
Empowerment of poor communities is the biggest claptrap ever put out by politicians who like the sound of this phrase as they pass it round in media handouts and to each other at countless repetative meetings on the subject.
Stranraer showed you can't empower a community, as most people in the poorer community are apathetic and don't want to change. Those that do, come up against their apathetic neighbours and the vandals of all ages who prefer to destroy anything good that is achieved. People see the funds as something to mis appropriate, with councillor collusion, or funds to be dished out to friends and comrades for their crank schemes. It's all dressed up in "outputs and outcomes" in the reportsor other such horlicks, all of which are as close to legalese lying as you can get.
The other fallacy you miss Gordon, is that there are very few 'communities' that live and work as a community. It like all these wittering saps on house buying property shows on tv who regurgitate ad nauseam that they "want to be part of the community". It's an Ambridge load of crud where the world is full of bonhomie, care for your neighbour, and a willingness to come together. Poor communities ain't Emmerdale where they all meet down the pub.
It's about time you took your visions on tour far away and stopped popping up to try and re invent the past. I've seen it in action and it stinks.

12:22 PM on 21/11/2014
Gordon Brown is full of wind.

The Smith commission is a farce.

Scotland needs full devo max now to tackle poverty and develop our economy.

Gord, the old ways of doing business is over.

Scotland is now moving into the new century with success on mind.
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Krusher
12:22 PM on 21/11/2014
The business leaders if they have any self respect will tie this clown in a straight jacket and wheel him away to his protests of " where's ma cheque ".
He can promise the world, he can deliver nothing, Labour are not moving into 10 Downing Street.
In fact I have a better idea, I'll pop across to Glasgow, take a third of Gordons fee, and tell you a lot more feel good factor lies than he can possibly imagine exist, I thank you in anticipation of your undoubted standing ovation, and thank you in advance.

FAIRDOOS
12:09 PM on 21/11/2014
"Someone, somewhere, with some vision of the future and some sense of what Scots can now agree upon, must demonstrate that we can break free from the deep divisions that are hurting Scotland"

The Reverend Brown, self-anointed father of our nation, has more revelations in the dark shadows of the Forth Bridge and rides out to deliver another masterful sermon to the great unwashed.

I wonder who this vision-filled messiah will be? Will we know him by his red rosette and the strange structures upon which he stands? It couldn't be the Murphster - fresh from his own epiphany on the road from Westminster - could it?
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THE UNIONISTS ARE GETTING PANICKY
11:49 AM on 21/11/2014
gordon brown,gordon brown,riding through the glen,
gordon brown,gordon brown,with not alot of men,
feard by the rich,loved by the down,
gordon brown ,gordon brown,gordon brown,


CRUIXER
11:33 AM on 21/11/2014
Are we still doing this? Why is this newspaper giving a platform to a Labour backbencher who has absolutely no power to promise anything.
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FUTURECHOICES
11:19 AM on 21/11/2014
When was he re-elected PM? Or have I lost something... Gordon will this, Gordon will that. Gordon is not in power to grant any of this or that. The man is nothing but fluff and blunder.

If the Conservatives get the most seats then they could be a minority government. Any attempt to get rid of them would trigger a new GE. Only the Conservatives can afford another GEso soon after the first.

Some funny comments at the end of that article Chris.! :-)

Here's an idea for a dog lead for a kid

Rubbish, not that it will happen, all Labour have to do is ask the Unions for the funds and its a good un.

DB4.

You misjudge the SNP.

With the lying of the present tory incumbents the SNP couldn't put up with the stench.

Also, it ain't as simple as give us "devolution" and we will keep you in government.

Any coalition policies, whatever Cameron and fellow loonies think, any policies, laws changing in England (UK) will effect Scotland. Any attempt at continuing what is hidden under term austerity and Tax reform or further movement to the right will fail to pass.

In other words Cameron will be more of an eunuch than he already is.

I suppose they could get him to wear a kilt.

UUUUGH

Fred I have Doodlebug filtered surely hes not saying the SNP would form a coalition with the Tories? surely not.

Hes as daft as a brush if he thinks Sturgeon would get in bed with devious dave.

Fred, I'm a Scot, I lived for 30 years in Scotland before I moved down South and I understand the Scottish mentality. Politics is a nasty, corrupt business and that fact applies to all the parties. SNP will do a deal with the devil if necessary to achieve their objectives.

Fred is he saying the SNP will do a deal with Devious Dave? Salmond as already (last weekend/sunday politics) ruled that out, but he didnt rule out a coalition with labour.

If you believe a word Salmond says then you are even more stupid than I thought gf and it wasn't last weekend he said that, it was about three weeks ago on the Andrew Marr show.

DB4.

We will see.

But if I was to back Salmond, or Sturgeon word against Cameron's I would back the former pair's.

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Tell me who is in the charge of the Tory's smear office. Lynton Crosby, the editor of the Sun or Grant Shapps?

Or do you have to ask the tory errand boy Hays or even the hairy one's!

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Good to know that Gove is so happy with the result and is going to walk down to the pub for a drink.

Hazyone,

Back to PCO.

You are similar to DB4 at writing rubbish.

But a good devoted representative of your dear leader.
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PM.

The office is not established by any constitution or law but exists only by long-established convention, which stipulates that the monarch must appoint as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons; this individual is typically the leader of the political party or coalition of parties that holds the largest number of seats in that chamber.

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Also, check your facts on Vote of No confidence procedure.

You are in the right party!

no mention of where the money is coming from...


“I would give a very clear power to the Scottish Parliament that it would be able to top up benefits if it thought in the interests of reducing poverty and injustice in this country that it was necessary to do so.”

goldfinger

Wouldnt have the slimey deceptive creep Fred.

I thought Fred was a friend of yours , mind you he is a bit slimy

Grand theft auto, you pay for it, but have no right to use it...good ol Boris




Boris's £60m 'garden bridge' will have no public right of way, no protests and no cycling



The bridge is to close to Londoners late at night once tourist demand has subsided




Jon Stone

Thursday 20 November 2014


The Mayor of London’s planned £60m “garden bridge” over the River Thames in London will have no legal public right of way, it has been announced.



The bridge, likely to be a popular tourist attraction, will be privately managed by a trust and large groups will be asked to call ahead before visiting due to its limited capacity.

Protests and cycling will be banned on the new bridge, which will be closed at midnight when views over the Thames are at their most dramatic and the tourist crowds have dispersed.

The bridge's owner is also exploring the possibility of holding "a limited number" of private events on it, when it could be closed to the public.

£30m of the money for the attraction is coming out of London’s squeezed transport budget, despite Transport for London announcing yet another increase in fares set to come into force next year.

Central government is contributing another £30m for the bridge, which has high-profile celebrity backers including actress Joanna Lumley.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boriss-60m-garden-bridge-will-have-no-public-right-of-way-no-protesting-and-no-cycling-9872176.html