Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

A HELL OF A BEATING?

I DON'T THINK SO WALTER...........(MITTY)

Poor Ed - even his friends call him a 'bad luck magnet'

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This was meant to be the weekend when the unforgiving political spotlight shifted from Ed Miliband to David Cameron. But Emily Thornberry’s sneering tweet has put Labour’s woes front and centre.
As one Miliband confidant says dejectedly: ‘We have become a magnet for bad luck and bad timing.’
Thornberry now has the dubious distinction of uniting Miliband critics and loyalists alike in condemnation of her stupidity. One Labour MP slated it as ‘Emily being a poverty tourist’.
But Labour is bitterly divided over how the incident was handled. Several of Miliband’s longest-standing political allies feel that the party machine has badly mishandled the issue and made the leader look inauthentic and ridiculous. And that the heavy-handed sacking of Thornberry has blown up in their faces and allowed the Tories to slink away relatively unscathed from defeat in Rochester.
Some Miliband backers are also deeply suspicious of the motives of the Labour people who demanded Thornberry’s head. As one Labour frontbencher puts it: ‘It’s not really about her but about other people who live in North London.’
The suspicion is that the real target of the attack on the Islington set is Miliband’s own office, which includes two Oxford politics dons who live there.
Miliband’s brutality in sacking a long-standing supporter has sent shivers through the ranks. As one member of the Shadow Cabinet mutters darkly: ‘Life expectancy levels have collapsed markedly.’
But what’s really stung Labour is that the weakness of Miliband’s position has allowed the crisis to escalate. ‘If we were stronger, we could have seen this out,’ complains one Shadow Cabinet member, while a downhearted Labour frontbencher gloomily concedes: ‘It’s a reflection of where we are... if this had happened 18 months ago, they could have laughed this off.’
And Labour figures don’t expect things to improve any time soon. One warns: ‘We have to be prepared for a drama every week.’ And, in the damning assessment of one Shadow Minister, this is because ‘if you haven’t got a compelling narrative, that’s what’s going to happen’.
So what can Labour do? ‘We can’t have another relaunch,’ cautions one member of Miliband’s circle.
So, this week Labour will return to its all-too-familiar argument that the Tories and their recovery is for the few and they are for the many. They’ll also be turning up the volume on immigration, as the Labour high command is convinced this is a prerequisite to winning over voters on other issues such as the NHS and living standards.
For their part, the Tories have to – as David Cameron puts it – get the boulder of immigration off the road before they can push on for victory. One senior Downing Street figure says: ‘The faster you move it, the quicker you can accelerate down the road.’
This is why there is a growing group urging Cameron to bring forward his big speech on immigration – and make it before the autumn statement on December 3. I’m told by a Downing Street source that once the speech is done, ‘All we talk about is the economy and issues of national security’.
Immigration all over by Christmas? I suspect that Mr Farage may have something to say about that.


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This was meant to be the weekend when the unforgiving political spotlight shifted from Ed Miliband to David Cameron. But Emily Thornberry’s sneering tweet has put Labour’s woes front and centre.
As one Miliband confidant says dejectedly: ‘We have become a magnet for bad luck and bad timing.’
Thornberry now has the dubious distinction of uniting Miliband critics and loyalists alike in condemnation of her stupidity. One Labour MP slated it as ‘Emily being a poverty tourist’.
But Labour is bitterly divided over how the incident was handled. Several of Miliband’s longest-standing political allies feel that the party machine has badly mishandled the issue and made the leader look inauthentic and ridiculous. And that the heavy-handed sacking of Thornberry has blown up in their faces and allowed the Tories to slink away relatively unscathed from defeat in Rochester.
Some Miliband backers are also deeply suspicious of the motives of the Labour people who demanded Thornberry’s head. As one Labour frontbencher puts it: ‘It’s not really about her but about other people who live in North London.’
The suspicion is that the real target of the attack on the Islington set is Miliband’s own office, which includes two Oxford politics dons who live there.
Miliband’s brutality in sacking a long-standing supporter has sent shivers through the ranks. As one member of the Shadow Cabinet mutters darkly: ‘Life expectancy levels have collapsed markedly.’
But what’s really stung Labour is that the weakness of Miliband’s position has allowed the crisis to escalate. ‘If we were stronger, we could have seen this out,’ complains one Shadow Cabinet member, while a downhearted Labour frontbencher gloomily concedes: ‘It’s a reflection of where we are... if this had happened 18 months ago, they could have laughed this off.’
And Labour figures don’t expect things to improve any time soon. One warns: ‘We have to be prepared for a drama every week.’ And, in the damning assessment of one Shadow Minister, this is because ‘if you haven’t got a compelling narrative, that’s what’s going to happen’.
So what can Labour do? ‘We can’t have another relaunch,’ cautions one member of Miliband’s circle.
So, this week Labour will return to its all-too-familiar argument that the Tories and their recovery is for the few and they are for the many. They’ll also be turning up the volume on immigration, as the Labour high command is convinced this is a prerequisite to winning over voters on other issues such as the NHS and living standards.
For their part, the Tories have to – as David Cameron puts it – get the boulder of immigration off the road before they can push on for victory. One senior Downing Street figure says: ‘The faster you move it, the quicker you can accelerate down the road.’
This is why there is a growing group urging Cameron to bring forward his big speech on immigration – and make it before the autumn statement on December 3. I’m told by a Downing Street source that once the speech is done, ‘All we talk about is the economy and issues of national security’.
Immigration all over by Christmas? I suspect that Mr Farage may have something to say about that.


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back from spain . the Spanish think the uk is a nation of idiots allowing their country to be over run and their gov think it is good .well it as killed spain . and now we are kicking out the scum coming to spain we give them nothing

can we not get away from this daily, incessant and monotonous drone that is far worse than severe tinnitus?

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there was a very entertaining and indeed interesting prog on The Tatler last night which i note has a few more to follow

CAMERON IS JUST A LIAR AND AS FCUKED UP THE UK ALONG WITH IS ETON SCUM
LABOUR PARTY NOW 5 POINTS INFRONT
CONS 27
LAB 32
UKIP 18
LIB SCUM 7

SNP WILL HOLD THE POWER

the above adds up to 84% so are the other 16% "don't know" or what?

if this is meant to be a nationwide reflection, the what % are snp forecast to hold?
i suppose more to the point, the question should be how many seats are labour likely to lose to snp, and what then happens to the projected seats across the board?

Yeah Heeeee

WHEN YOU ATTACK THE DISABLED THE PEOPLE WILL REVOLT
stop all foreign aid if you can not support your own disabled

AND ANOTHER ONE...........LABOUR ARE MOVING OUT WELL IN FRONT OF THE TORIES NOW..........

Labour lead at 4

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 24th November - Con 30%, Lab 34%, LD 6%, UKIP 18%

cynic .
snp and others this poll is from the tory grande

The first of Populus‘s two twice weekly polls had topline figures of CON 31%, LAB 36%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 15%, GRN 5% (tabs). Populus’s average so far this month has been CON 34%, LAB 36%, LDEM 9%, UKIP 13%, so this has the Conservatives a little lower than usual, UKIP a little higher than usual.

Lord Ashcroft‘s weekly poll had topline figures of CON 27%, LAB 32%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 7% (tabs). Compared to his recent polls this has the Conservatives down a tad, Labour and UKIP both up a tad.

The daily YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 30%, LAB 34%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 18%, GRN 6%. YouGov’s average figures so far this month have been CON 33%, LAB 33%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 16% – so again, the Conservatives lower than usual, UKIP higher than usual.

Note also what it doesn’t show – any decrease in Labour’s support following several days of fussing about White Vans and Emily Thornberry.

ah well, i knew it would be too much to ask for a question to be answered properly .... no matter for it was more out of fairly idle curiosity than rabid frothing which is what most here enjoy

gf we all went to spain the weekend from the club well 23 of us ever one is sick of the lies from our once proud party and we are going now to vote labour .
but would like to hear more on policy on immigration
the con mp we have voted for may switch to ukip to keep our votes we have told him he we will not vote con

Lord Ashcroft‘s weekly poll had topline figures of CON 27%, LAB 32%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 7% (tabs). Compared to his recent polls this has the Conservatives down a tad, Labour and UKIP both up a tad.
snp will hold the power the cons will not get their support
the cons are finished will never see power again ukip and snp have broken up the
3 party system for ever . so no one party will ever hold power again

Manuel,

You can just let yourself wander past the thread.

Nobody else would notice!

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Populus, seems to be accurate poll.

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With all the fuss about SNP. How many tory MPs are there in Scotland?

How many after the next election?

Why?

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Do you think Theresa is thinking of her own Tory back benches.

snp will be the third biggest party in 6 months time

TANKER labour are getting more right wing by the day on immigrant benefits especialy in work ones eg, they will stop child benefit being sent back home to Poland or Rumania if the children arent living here.