goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
MaxK
- 25 Nov 2014 19:21
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lol :-))
Haystack
- 25 Nov 2014 19:38
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Farage defecting to Labour.
cynic
- 25 Nov 2014 19:51
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labour to force private schools to help local state schools
at last a tacit acknowledgement that the best - by no means all - private schools knock the socks of practically all state schools, and not just academically of course
for all that, one cannot deny that in many ways, the private sector have at least a moral obligation to help their neighbourhood schools, though of course many of them already do, whether through offering usage of their facilities or a considerable number of bursaries to the talented but less well-off (millfield is an excellent example)
it may or may not be relevant that many private schools really struggle to make ends meet .... it is only the few who have wealthy endowments from livery companies, royal patronage (eton was founded by edward iv from memory), or happenstance to own valuable property
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separately but not entirely unlinked, it was interesting to read that ISA admitted that the pool of uk residents who have traditionally been the core of supply of pupils, is disappearing fast, with the result that many are now becoming the enclaves of overseas oligarchs and the like
Fred1new
- 25 Nov 2014 20:24
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I thought the force implied was that they would take the subsidies given to the private sector schools if they didn't bail out the state section in certain areas.
I.e. school playing (fields sold off) arts and drama facilities allowed ot deteriorate for the last 4 years!
If not the tax raised by government goes to state schools.
Fair enough to me.
doodlebug4
- 25 Nov 2014 20:27
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By Michael Deacon, Parliamentary Sketchwriter
3:26PM GMT 25 Nov 2014
Speaking at an academy, Labour’s education spokesman Tristram Hunt says private schools must do more to help state schools – or lose out on tax relief
Among the audience for Tristram Hunt’s speech at an East London academy was a group of pupils. They looked as if they were paying attention. For their sake, I hope they weren’t. The influence of the shadow education secretary’s nebulous jargon could damage their essay-writing irreparably.
At one point, Mr Hunt accused David Cameron of speaking in “meaningless rhetorical bromides”. Rather a bold line of attack, for a man who in his speech used the following phrases.
“A holistic, character-focused curriculum… A reciprocal relationship where excellence moves in both directions… Improve educational outcomes through deeper collaboration… Run mentoring and enrichment programmes… An education-led response… Enjoying the same access to excellence… Enriching educational experience which cultivates character, resilience and grit… Benefits richer than any upfront risk… Celebrating a broader ethos of education and partnership…”
How cruel to inflict such circumlocutory gibberish on impressionable young minds. And the pupils may not be the only ones to suffer the consequences. Their teachers may suffer, too. Imagine.
“Jenkins! Why are you looking at Smith’s exercise book?”
“I’m just seeking to improve my educational outcomes through deeper collaboration, sir.”
“Are you copying Smith’s answers, Jenkins?”
“Who, sir? Me, sir? I’m just enjoying access to Smith’s excellence, sir. Smith and I are celebrating a broader ethos of education and partnership. It’s a reciprocal relationship where excellence moves in both directions. He helps me copy his answers, I help him not get punched in the face by me after school.”
“Oh God. You’re one of the boys who went to Tristram Hunt’s dratted speech, aren’t you, Jenkins?”
“Oh yes, sir. It was terrific, sir. Transformatively holistic, sir. It’s really helped me to raise achievement and spread excellence, sir.”
“Oh, for pity’s… Akinyemi! I saw that! Why did you just give Singh a dead arm?”
“I was cultivating his character, resilience and grit, sir.”
“Don’t test my patience, Akinyemi. What made you think you could get away with behaviour like that in my classroom?”
“I decided that the benefits were richer than any upfront risk, sir.”
“Right. That’s it. You’ve just earned yourself a detention.”
“Oh, but sir! Detention is a discredited top-down initiative, sir! What’s required is the rigorous pursuit of a pupil-centred education-led enrichment programme, sir!”
“Akinyemi’s right, sir! You can’t punish him, sir! You’re widening the disparities in the distribution of power, sir!”
“Shut up, Jenkins, or you’ll be doing detention with him.”
“Oh, but sir! You can’t say that, sir! You’re fostering a culture of low expectations, sir!”
P.S. I’ve only just noticed that I’ve yet to mention the subject of Mr Hunt’s speech. It was about how private schools should do more to help state schools. But I’m sure that from the clarity of his phrasing you’d already worked that out.
goldfinger
- 25 Nov 2014 20:42
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Yep same here Fred, just watering down an elitist situation that our society shouldnt face in either education or health.
Why should someone get a head start in life just because there parents are wealthy.
What have they to fear taking on and competing with someone else on the same level playing field.
Tells you a lot that of the mindset of a typical Tory, sneaky greedy and devious.
goldfinger
- 25 Nov 2014 20:52
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Camoron still trending on Twitter it must be a World Record, now in third was fifth earlier on.....
Trends · Change
#Ferguson
OPEC
#CameronMustGo
#ManCityVsBayern
#MTVStars
Benatia
Darren Wilson
Phil Hughes
#MCFCFCB
Jurassic World
doodlebug4
- 25 Nov 2014 21:05
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By Dan Hodges
9:42AM GMT 25 Nov 2014
The Left's rhetoric has become as toxic as that of the hard-Right
This morning I got up, made myself a cup of tea, got myself a bowl of cereal and logged onto Twitter. That’s how the out of touch, metropolitan media class starts its day.
At the top of my messages was a post from someone called Mike Campbell. To the best of my knowledge I haven’t come across Mike before. We don’t correspond regularly, or follow each other. But according to his biography he's an RMT trade union rep and a socialist.
His message referred to the Guardian columnist and food blogger Jack Monroe. “She didn't tweet about Cameron's son. She tweeted about Cameron. Even you should be able to work that out”, he said.
This was a reference to a tweet Monroe had herself sent as part of the “#CameronMustGo” Twitter campaign. Her tweet read: “Because he uses stories about his dead son as misty-eyed rhetoric to legitimise selling our NHS to his friends: “#CameronMustGo”.
When I saw Monroe’s message I thought “that’s horrible”, said so, then carried on working on yesterday’s post about Ukip and their repatriation policy. Then I pottered about a bit, did some work on a book I’m writing, then returned to have another browse on Twitter.
By this point my timeline was filling up with two distinct threads. The first related to my Ukip post. It basically consisted of a few Ukip supporters claiming I’d made up the whole thing, (I didn’t, read the post), and a lot of others coming up with stuff about me being a race traitor, a member of the LibLabCon, and inviting me to combine sex with travel.
The second was from people defending Jack Monroe. They were posting about me being a traitor to the Labour Party, a closet Tory, and comparing me to various intimate parts of the male and female anatomy.
So I leapt into the Twitter mosh pit, and began happily tweeting my responses. After a while, I noticed something weird. The Kippers and the CamMustGoers started to merge. I was literally sending the same responses to both groups of people. “No, I’m not a traitor to my race. I just don’t like racists”. “No, I’m not a traitor to the Labour Party. I just don’t like people who play politics with other people’s dead children”. And then I realised I wasn’t as happy as I thought I was.
I write a lot of critical stuff about Ed Miliband and the Labour Party. And a lot of the people who read it desperately, desperately want them both to prevail at the next election. So when they dish out the “you’re a traitor stuff”, I get it. I don’t think they quite understand what the job of being a political commentator entails, but I used to be a Labour Party member, so I grasp the tribal antipathy.
In fact, I’ve still got a little bit of that tribalism lurking someone deep down inside of me. I must have. Because yesterday, when I saw the Right an the Left engaged in the same desperate attempt to defend the utterly indefensible, I thought to myself: “Hang on. You’re on the Left. Aren’t you supposed to be better than that?”
It would be a stretch for me to claim some of my best friends are Ukip supporters. But I know several people who work in the party who are good, decent, honourable, people. When I went to the party’s conference in Doncaster I met several ordinary Ukip activists who were funny, warm, generous and clearly believe passionately in their party and its cause.
But I’m not going to lie. I think Ukip is a thoroughly racist, thoroughly prejudiced, thoroughly reactionary party. And I think the majority of its core supporters reflect that. Racism. Islamophobia. Homophobia. Misogyny. Rightly or wrongly, those are the values I associate with Ukip.
It may sound ludicrously simplistic, but until recently I genuinely thought people on the Right were the bad guys and the people on the Left were the good guys. In my mind’s eye, the Left still retained a semblance of moral authority. Yes, the Right were good at running the economy and taking the hard choices and all the usual “firm but fair” clichés. But it was still the Left who had cornered the market on compassion and fairness and basic humanity.
Then I saw Jack Monroe’s tweet. Or, even more tellingly, the response of the Left to Jack Monroe’s tweet.
The Left is losing its way. Not in an “Ed Miliband isn’t going to win Stockton South”, kind of way. In a “where the hell did we put that moral compass of ours?” kind of way.
When people can’t look at a tweet publicly taunting a man over the death of his six-year-old son and realise there is something deeply, horribly wrong, then they have a problem. If they can’t understand that a tweet like that transcends the most basic laws of human decency, they have a problem. And if they can’t simply and unequivocally condemn that tweet, without constructing straw men, throwing deflections and trying to draw spurious moral parallels, then they have a serious, serious problem.
That is the Left’s problem this morning. “Oh what, the whole Left?” someone will no doubt ask, facetiously. No, not all of the Left. In the same way not all of Ukip’s supporters advocate repatriation, or stigmatising people on trains who don’t speak English, or whipping up moral panics about Romanians. But enough. Too many.
Yesterday, the organisers of the #CameronMustGo campaign were boasting of their success. Their message was being tweeted 100,000 times a day, they claimed. So where were the tweets of condemnation for Jack Monroe? Where were the angry voices denouncing her for hijacking their campaign, or distorting its message? The answer, of course, is nothing had been hijacked or distorted. Cameron has to go. By any means necessary.
Now the sharks of the Right are circling themselves. Jack Monroe is receiving her own vile online abuse. In response her abusers will be abused. And the whole tawdry, vicious spiral will continue.
Perhaps I’m being naive. Maybe the Left never occupied the moral high ground. When I worked for the Labour Party maybe I was one of the people who unwittingly helped negotiate its surrender.
I don’t know. What I do know is some of the stuff the Left is coming out with at the moment is as toxic and malign and devoid of basic humanity as anything I’ve ever seen from the hard-Right. Both are now equally blinded by their own brand of narrow, ideological hatred.
So let me respond to Mike Campbell. Jack Monroe did tweet about David Cameron’s son, Mike. The words “he uses stories about his dead son as misty-eyed rhetoric” are the giveaway.
You’re an RMT official and a socialist. She was wrong. Wasn’t she?
MaxK
- 25 Nov 2014 23:11
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Full story on page 5, well after the tits and arse.
cynic
- 26 Nov 2014 07:50
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private schools
it's a shame that the politics of jealousy always talks about taking down centres of excellence and the like, rather than applauding that aspect and using it as a target for aspiration and emulation by others
nevertheless, it is right that these establishments should be encouraged to maximise the expertise and top quality facilities that they have among the rest of their community
as i wrote previously, many schools actually do this, but of course the "bitter ones" wouldn't want to mention them
Stan
- 26 Nov 2014 08:34
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Oh shut up fat head you to may need attending to at some time in your life by the NHS.. and I'm not sure you don't already need attention now -):
cynic
- 26 Nov 2014 08:38
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and what has your very silly comment to do with what i posted above?
by the way, our local NHS is pretty good, and it's certainly true that if you have something seriously wrong with you - eg heart attack - it makes little or no difference whether you go privately or on NHS .... it's very likely you'll get exactly the same specialist/consultant
Stan
- 26 Nov 2014 08:45
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"and what has your very silly comment to do with what i posted above?" Oh dear do I have to explain everything to you.. stupid boy.
The NHS (among other valuable services) is being undermined by your so called Government and all you can do is bang on about schools.
MaxK
- 26 Nov 2014 08:55
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Save the Children staff furious over ‘global legacy’ award for Tony Blair
Internal letter signed by almost 200 staff members says award is ‘morally reprehensible’ and endangers STC’s credibility globally
Harriet Sherwood
The Guardian, Tuesday 25 November 2014 15.27 GMT
The charity Save the Children faces a backlash from staff after it presented Tony Blair with a “global legacy award” in New York last week – despite privately acknowledging that he is a controversial and divisive figure.
Amid widespread criticism on social media, many of the charity’s staff have complained that the presentation of the award has discredited Save the Children (STC). An internal letter, which gathered almost 200 signatures – including senior regional staff – in the first six hours of dissemination, said the award was not only “morally reprehensible, but also endangers our credibility globally”, and called for it to be withdrawn.
It said that staff wished to distance themselves from the award and demanded a review of the charity’s decision-making process.
“We consider this award inappropriate and a betrayal to Save the Children’s founding principles and values. Management staff in the region were not communicated with nor consulted about the award and were caught by surprise with this decision,” it said.
The move has also raised questions about Save the Children’s (STC) integrity and independence because of close links between the former British prime minister and key figures at the charity’s helm.
More puke here:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/25/save-the-children-furious-charity-global-legacy-tony-blair
cynic
- 26 Nov 2014 09:08
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because you and all your fellow bitter bedmates like to comlain and whine and moan about the unfairness private schools and anything else that may be better - and therefore reprehensible - than the average
you might be better employed (if employable) picking out the (very) good bits, of which there are many, acknowledging same openly, and then discussing how they might be utilised or incorporated elsewhere
you also asked me obliquely about NHS to which i responded (accurately), but of course you didn't like that answer either, so your only reaction is to swamp it with yet more silage
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2014 09:09
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the man above should be in a for murder is lies have destroyed the world
TANKER
- 26 Nov 2014 09:11
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those black people in ferguson are just scum they never protest when ever day black kill blacks for drug crimes and they close the curtains to faced black people
their children get shot not a word a police man does is job and they riot .
you can not help these scum they are brain dead