Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Well well no points but what then, a lot of NO but so far T. May has no answer for many things ...........

UK's May: wants gov't control on migration, points system open to abuse

British Prime Minister Theresa May said she wants a new system to give the government control over who is able to enter the country after it leaves the European Union, rather than a points-based system that selects candidates based on criteria.

"What the British people voted for on the 23rd of June was to bring some control into the movement of people from the European Union to the UK," she told reporters on Monday after a two-day summit of leaders from G20 nations in China. "A points-based system does not give you that control."

May recalled how staff at Heathrow airport had told her that migrants were able to abuse student visa rules when they applied to come to Britain.

"But because they met the criteria they were automatically let in. That's the problem with a points-based system. I want a system where the government is able to decide who comes into the country. I think that's what the British people want."

somewhere along the line, TM also said that we need to be much more thorough in rooting out and booting out those who have outstayed their visas or should not have been here in the first place

there is also the question of what relatives (if any) can be allowed to attach themselves to someone coming on a legit work visa
there is certainly an argument for saying "none" unless or until that (limited) work visa becomes an open visa to remain

T.May was in charge of the home office for a number of years, so while she
was there she should've have been looking at ways to bring down immigration,
not that she could do much about the free movement between EU countries while
being shackled to Brussels, but she also failed miserably with immigration from
the rest of the world.

Before the referendum there was talk of what kind of Brexit would it be, ie the
Swiss model or the Norway one, the Australian points based system was also
a suggested model too in reducing immigration, No one believed that the UK
was/is big enough to construct their own model, just because different systems
was mentioned it didn't mean we had to stick rigidly to any of them, but to work
them into our own plan and system.

But the first thing is to leave the EU, get back control of our borders then start
to get a workable plan in place and a determination to deport anyone who shouldn't
be here, and stopping the constant legal challenges with human rights ploys etc,that
is allowed to drag on and on by individuals who clearly have no right to be here.

'No job? You can't move to Britain.'

May's Blueprint to curb EU migrants...

Employment agencies from the UK have being advertising in eu countries
for over 10 years for eu nationals to work in the UK.

So this 'blueprint' isn't worth the (blue)paper its written on...

if eu citizens had a statutory right to move and work in uk (until brexit), then of course employment agencies would look in that area for suitable candidates

or have i totally missed the point you were making?

This is an attempt by May to try and deceive people into the belief that she's
trying to control immigration post Brexit, and by saying, 'No job, You can't
move to Britain'...But these agencies just carry on advertising jobs abroad,
even when we LEAVE and recruiting foreign workers, thus they can still carry
on coming because the jobs will still be being advertised, and it fulfills the caveat
of having to have a job before traveling to the UK..

I said before the referendum and I will repeat now. I have no issue with people working here legally and contributing to the economy. Much of the care for the elderly rely upon EU workers who work long hours for minimum pay. In any case, any comments made before Brexit shouldn't be taken in isolation.

It should also include having accomodation arranged that isn't needed by
the indigenous population, or the 20000 Syrians thats due to arrive over
the next few years, not to mention the multitudes of other 'refugees'...

GB - we haven't left EU yet so of course agencies are still perfectly within their rights to recruit and ditto the employers

as for your last bit, that is pure surmise ...... and if there are job vacancies that cannot be (readily) fulfilled from the domestic market, then for sure it will be permissible to bring in outsiders
of course, if it's just seasonal work, then it may well be that the work permits have a very limited lifespan ..... but that is my own speculation

GB - 5146 - now you really are being totally fatuous!

There was a program on tv(hidden camera) about a month before the referendum
on the home care for the elderly, and it showed you these 'foreign' care workers
going into these old peoples homes, faffing about on their mobiles, sitting on their
arses then fricking off 10 minutes before their allotted time, plus there was one or
two that failed to give the old folk their medication.

cynic 5147, Its because these jobs are being advertised abroad that the
indigenous workers can't get them.

"now you really are being totally fatuous!" ... why don't you think its true?

that's bollocks!
of course "indigenous workers" can get these jobs, though many will not be prepared to work the hours for the pay on offer ..... i'll revert to my usual of courier drivers and agricultural workers and similar


it was your comment about the housing that was totally fatuous


oh jeepers ..... now we have post 5149
you must have been down the pub or worse at lunchtime and beyond

cynic 5151

"that's bollocks!
of course "indigenous workers" can get these jobs, though many will not be
prepared to work the hours for the pay on offer....."

Not if if they're advertised in countries abroad, and on the one hand you say
they can get these jobs, then you go on to denigrate them by claiming they
would'nt want to work for less money and longer hours....Would YOU?

You also seem totally oblivious to the fact that foreign workers come here and
then 4/6/8/10 are sharing one house.

Not only is it hard for indigenous workers to find employment, they have to put
up with zero hours, or temporary or short term work, it also means there is a lack
of choice so its no good saying if you don't like your present employment find some
thing else.

And what's my comment about the housing that was totally fatuous,,,Please explain?

As to...

"ho jeepers..... now we have post 5149
you must have been down the pub or worse at lunchtime and beyond"


Yes I thought it was unbelievable if i hadn't seen it with my own eyes, after
all they are angels and we need someone to look after our old folk, and it wouldn't
look good if it was brought out into the publics gaze that if this is what we import
then I for one won't be asking for home help from our foreign 'friends'..

And judging by your testy manner i'd say your lycra cycling shorts are getting
too tight from the good life you lead...LMFAO!!

you seem to be MrT's protege
enough said

You seem like you can't put an argument together and could'nt fight your
way out of a wet paper bag...YOU limp wristed liberal wimp!!

Voilà ... Before was the fence, now the Wall ........next try to keep them out in big numbers, but will the refuges have anything under the sleeve in the future! ........


Work on Calais wall to start this month, Britain says

LONDON, Sept 7 (Reuters) - Work on building a wall in the northern French port of Calais to try to stop refugees and migrants from jumping aboard trucks bound for Britain will begin this month, according to British officials.

Immigration minister, Robert Goodwill, told lawmakers that security was being stepped up in Calais, home to the "Jungle" camp where thousands of migrants fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and Africa hope to cross the English Channel to Britain.

"The security we're putting in in the ports is being stepped up with equipment," Goodwill said on Tuesday, referring to a 17 million pounds ($22.75 million) package of security measures agreed by Britain and France in March this year.

"We are going to start building this big new wall as part of the 17 million package that we are doing with the French ... We've done the fence and now we're doing the wall."

The wall, which is expected to be four metres (13 ft)high and be built along both sides of a 1-km (0.6 mile) stretch of the Rocade port approach road, should be completed by the end of this year.

How stupid and waste of money. Have they never heard of a ladder, to climb over the wall?

I can remember the time of barb wire on the coastal beaches to keep the enemy out.

Unfortunately, the UK has its now has its own enemy within the UK "borders" who are wanting to put the wire up.

I wonder what it will cost to patrol the coastlines to prevent the other "enemy" ie. the "immigrants" from landing and invading the UK this time.