Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

No stamp duty at all would be better. People on high incomes pay more tax by virtue of having more income to tax. I see no good reason why people on high incomes should pay a higher tax rate than anyone else. Everyone should pay the same rate of tax. Tax was introduced as a temporary measure to pay for a war and successive governments kept it as a way to get money easily that they then could waste.

Tax is not a moral issue, although governments try and give that impression to make people accept their rules. Tax avoidance is a good thing and people shouldn't be made to feel guilty for doing their best to minimise tax.

I suppose everything is relative to what people can afford Shortie. The new rates certainly help the people at the lower end of the market and as you say a few thousand more in extra stamp duty applies to the people who can afford it anyway.

Haystack, I on the other hand see every reason why people on high incomes should pay more tax than those on lower incomes. As for tax not being a moral issue of course it is. Funny you should make the connection between tax and war, lets look at morals now and see how the rich avoided being on the front-line, a great example of moral. Lets also remember that the rich stay rich due to tax and our ability to defend wealth...

Haze.

Take the "working masses" away and how much Wealth would the "wealthy classes" have made or are making.

(Shifting money across a table is not making "wealth". It is like preening yourself with the latest gadget.)


Tax is not a moral entity, but how you raise it is, how much you raise is, and how you distribute the tax raise to the ongoing "needs" and functioning of a developing society is.

If you hadn't "attempted to" raise taxes at "variable and sustainable rates", from all in a society and then put distributed it in various proportions to Education, Public health, Law and Order, infra-structure, and so on. you the UK would not have developed into the relatively "decent" society it now is. (The majority benefit from an advancing society.)

Some Darwinian idiots like yourself are forgetting the strength of the herd over the predators. The predators would die without the herd, not the other way around.)

Also, whilst friction is necessary and useful, to much is obstructive to development.

The right balance is the problem and this B. government has got it wrong.

Tax was introduced as a temporary measure to pay for a war and successive governments kept it as a way to get money easily that they then could waste.


And there lies the problem...it's too easy for governments to tax and waste.

Everything they touch tends to cost too much, and or doesent work properly.

They seem to have never heard of a contract in the normal sense.

The high income earners do pay more by virtue of being taxed on a higher income. Why should they pay a higher proportion than everyone else. There is no moral component involved. The government taxes people because they can. Does the moral argument change as the tax rates change. In the not too distant past we had 'super tax' rates of 87% for earned income and 98% for unearned income from investments. Were they more or less moral than now?

Some countries have very low tax rates and some havezeto rates. Are they more or less moral. Tax is just a method of the government raising money for their pet projects. If our government raises money and spends it on things that we disagree with then does this affect the moral case.

As far as the rich avoiding the front line, I see no evidence of that. Historicalky, rich families have lost large numbers in wars and are often the first to sign up.

It doesn't matter which party is governing, a proportion of our taxes will always be spent on things we don't agree with. It seems to be very difficult to have a fair system of taxation in place which encourages people to achieve and improve their standard of living and yet doesn't penalise them for being successful.

I think the problem with government is they have destroyed community through policy to a point where we no longer stand shoulder to shoulder with our fellow countrymen and so appreciate hardships they maybe facing. Instead we are kept apart and fed media storeys about how our taxes have gone to the EU or to migrants that have invaded our communities.

Haze,

It is a pity that some of the "rich" families" didn't lose a few more members.

A large amount of "wealth" in the UK is handed down from the biggest and most immoral thugs who pillaged the country for personal benefit and then had it endorsed by those of similar ilk, gathering as governing bodies.

(Often, more interested in protecting their own "belongings and riches" than that of all in a society. Them against us. Primitive attributes, which you seem to crudely advocate and be representative of yourself.)

The problem is in many families their traits and morality has been handed down through the generations, although they have been restrained by representative government.

Mark Pritchard (I think) arrested for rape according to the wireless.


Anything?

If you look at the image above, you will see that a very small amount of money is spent on the EU budget. This is in contrast to the impression given by anti EU pressure groups. The public are easily swayed by hysterical nonsense from some quartets. The two charts contrast what the gullible public believe compared to reality.

An interesting point came up on the Daily Politics today.

Someone on here claimed that the Labour spending plans had been costed by the OBR. This is wrong. Andrew Neil pointed out that Blomberg Finance had costed Labour's plans and reported that the figures did not add up. The response from a Labour spokesman was that they had tried to get their figures checked by the OBR, but this had not happened.

I did some research and the OBR has to remain politically neutral. In fact for the OBR to check Labour's figures, permission would have to be sought in the form of a vote in the Commons.

the one good thing the gov is doing stopping immigrants claiming benefits for 4 years it should be 10 if they have no job then send them home the same week

Romanian family of 17 who 'lied' to get a house live in a three-bedroom London semi... and take home £55,000 a year in benefits

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702493/Romanian-family-17-lied-house-live-three-bedroom-London-semi-home-55-000-year-benefits.html

shortie - this country is no different from any other, in that we don't stand "shoulder to shoulder" except in times of crisis ......

that said, it is certainly true that "old fashioned" village or even street life has almost disappeared, but that is more the effect of the way things evolve - eg many towns and villages are primarily inhabited by those who commute to work elsewhere and where the main shopping is done out of town in some ghastly anonymous hypermarket

also, as more and more families have both parents working - always assuming they have not already split up! - there is less and less daytime community life and gossiping in and around the local shops and clubs and the like

Cynic our entire culture and education system is geared to produce the most revenue streams to be taxed. Children at school learn to compete against each other rather than to work together, this follows through in adult life and ensures that each citizen will produce a taxable revenue stream. This is why community has collapsed and people feel as though there isn't enough time in the day.

what a load bollocks



Children at school learn to compete against each other rather than to work together, this follows through in adult life and ensures that each citizen will produce a taxable revenue stream

certain gov'ts have done their level best to scrap the idea of children competing - "oh dear; we can't have children actually losing at some activity!" - and have thus engendered the mentality that the nanny state will look after them ...... lesson #1 - life is competitive and some things you win and many things you lose ..... tough! get a grip and get on with it

It that were true then were wouldn't be a social stigma against a middle aged person or couple living at home supporting their parents as in an extended family.

Well, I cannot believe this! You cannot trust anyone to play a straight game any more!

Mel Sykes has got over the 'maximum number of bikinis allowed is three' rule for her spell in the 'I'm a Celebrity' jungle by having special reversible bikinis made. These were reversible bikinis specially made for her by her friend, the fashion designer Matthew Williamson.

Hmmm?