Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Spoil sport , do you pull the legs off spiders by any chance .

If May tries to do any deal that involves free movement she is dead in the water ,i think there would be another leadership contest before the next election because they know they would lose . One of the others would run against her.
Now i'm sure Haystack will appear to tell us that the Tories could never ever lose another election but just watch.

How utterly useless is he?' Anger as Remainer Smith says he may even SCRAP POUND.

LABOUR leadership candidate Owen Smith has said he would reapply to join the European Union if he was to be elected as prime minister in 2020.

Mr Smith has claimed that it was “hypothetically” possible for the UK to rejoin the EU, even if that means signing up to the euro and Schengen area.

The MP for Pontypridd, who has constantly called for a second referendum, speaking on The Andrew Marr Show said he would consider the move if Britain had entered a “further recession” and if he became PM.

The 46-year-old said: “I think at that point if we have gone into a further recession, if we had the prospect of another 10 years of Tory austerity, if they were saying the price of us staying out is opening up the NHS to private sector competition and there are worse terms and conditions, more ‘flexibility and less red tape’, as the Tories will no doubt dub it.

“Then I think the sensible and responsible thing for a Labour government to do is say, ‘we’re better off in the European Union’

Mr Smith, when challenged by Marr, said he would “potentially” agree to scrap the pound in favour of the euro and join the Schengen area if it means Britain can rejoin the EU.

He added: “The key thing is they’ve [the Conservatives] not said definitively [when we will leave] - a couple of weeks ago they were briefing it might not be until 2019 because they trigger Article 50.

“I’m an internationalist, a collaborator and a cooperator, I want Britain to be part of the European Union.”

Mr Smith's comments drew anger on social media.

On Twitter, Rrose SelaKlee said: “#marr Owen Smith will take us back into th EU if he gets a chance, with Euro & free mvmnt....Last slim hope for Labour has just disappeared.”

Naomi55 added: “Did Owen smith just say he would reapply to the EU if we are out?!?! How utterly useless is this guy?”

I think what T May and cohorts think is that "Brexit" means looking out the window getting rid of some of the dust like Boris, Davies, and Fox and then closing it behind them and pulling down the blinds.

She seems to be in an awful hurry at the moment.

She is selling a pup to the riff raff in her own party and UKIP.

What do you think of Owen Smith Fred ? going to go against the will of the people if he was elected why would he say that is he mad ?

After Corbyn wins the leadership of Labour Owen Smith will be long forgoten after the dust has settled and Labour have split...teehee!!

They really are in a terrible state .

It just shows you jimmy they are not interested in what the people want , they are on another Planet when they get elected , as in Merkel who by the way had a hammering in elections at the weekend .

Arrogant politics is coming to an end hopefully VIC we must stop these politicians who just don't listen .
I couldn't believe Owen Smith on the Marr show ,he obviously just wants to do what he wants to do , the likes of these people must never be elected again .

I think the EU may have a lot to do with it the way they throw money about on themselves and others . It must be obvious to all and sundry and that's what the rest want .

JB,

You have elections approximately every 5years where the public express their opinion/s.

Some vote tory and some vote for other way and also change the "minds" or opinions as they mature.

Parliamentary vote will allow for policy changes from one period to another and also the revision of previously implemented policies.

Government is to degree evolutionary and stutters from time to time.


That is the current form of "democracy" and the form of "government" we have in the UK."


That could be said as allowing for movement with time and circumstances, and certainly, I would prefer this form of democracy than having opinions being set in stone and unchangeable.

I think the result of the referendum represented general disillusionment and frustration and wanting to hold others responsible for their own problems, rather than understanding the workings, aim, goals and benefits of being in the EU and the likely price of extraditing the UK from the organisation.


Smith, I know little about. He comes over as lightweight and less than pragmatic. But reading his CV I think I am probably underestimating him.

At the moment many of labour party MPs come over as overgrown maladjusted children grumbling that they are not getting enough of the cakes and trying to break the party up.

They are like the tories caught up in their own wishes, desires and progression up the greasy pole, rather than the overall good of the people they are supposed to represent.

What's his CV got to do with the fact he doesn't listen to the ones who matter most , the voters . But he's Labour in the end isn't he , but May is a Witch and only been there months she's getting nothing out of you is she .

Article 50 Should be implemented now.

Deal with the consequences instead of shilly shallying around the issue.

Footnote as to why Little Englander voted out. Hungary today being told what they can

and cant do with who strolls across there land. I am sure those in Budapest never

envisaged free movement being what they have have now. Sold an illusion like we all

were.

Fred ............

I think the result of the referendum represented general disillusionment and frustration and wanting to hold others responsible for their own problems...

I hold Blair and others responsible for the problems we face , i voted out because of mass immigration among other issues ,i want it stopped and yes i hold those politicians responsible .

Vic.

Perhaps he is listening to those he hopes are listening to him.

But like many on this board, more are interested in an immediate sound bite and satisfaction rather forward long-term planning and sensible development.

Like getting out of the EU, but without plans, contracts or deals of how to deal with the problems they are creating.

Loud mouths, shouting with little idea how to obtain their phantasy goals.

Independence from what, control by whom, better than what. WORDS.


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Dumbo.

At the present time, the UK economy benefits from immigration.

Does it need modification and some limitations? Probably, yes.

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But as the UK's economy falters as is thought, I would expect the UK to be less attractive to immigrants.

So exiting the EU, will fix that for everybody.

fred - to put it very simplistically, a good number are/were totally disillusioned with the way EU is now operated
the concept of an economic union was indeed sound, but this drive towards a federal Europe is totally unacceptable (to me) for all sorts of reasons

i know you disagree, as is your privilege, but i can see no way that anything fundamental would ever change had UK voted to remain within the confines

Whether anything can be achieved from outside remains to be seen, but at least UK will no longer be ruled by Brussels rather than by our own legislature

"I think the results of the referendum represented general disillusionment
and frustration and wanting to hold others responsible for their own problems,
rather than understanding the workings, aims, and benefits of being in the EU"

Please enlighten us all on these workings, aims, and benefits...And what are..
"hold others responsible for their own problems".....Who caused these problems
that we don't want to take responsibility for?..


Please give us THREE reasons why we should('ve) remain in the EU, because if
we had remained in the EU, then there would NOT have been any reforms, the
EU would've had no compunction to do so, in fact they would have gone cart'blance
on further integration...WILL YOU PRO-EU FANATICS GET THAT??...FOOLS!!

GB - you can't ask fred to answer a question and then give him certain responses that he mustn't use because you (rabidly) disagree!
and just because you are a rabid brexiter, it does not not mean that those who wished to remain were lacking in grey matter and powers of analysis and due consideration

indeed, your labelling of people being fools can apply equally to the rabids on either side

Yes he can cynic , why does Fred start every response to my posts with Dumbo ? i have a view does that make me a fool , in Fred's arrogant eyes it does .

can't help what fred calls you :-)