Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 14:45
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Declaration of Palestinian state will be "postponed".
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 15:21
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Considering delaying it. A bargaining tactic.
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 15:23
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I don't converse with lunatics.
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 15:28
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Even when you talk to yourself??? Increase the dose of your medication.
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 15:37
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From an Israeli web site Ynet
Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki declared Thursday that the PA will submit a membership request to United Nations Secretary-General Ben Ki-moon as early as July.
After meeting with Spain's general consul in Jerusalem, al-Maliki stressed that the request was the first step toward a bid to seek UN recognition of Palestinian statehood in 1967 borders.
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 15:39
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Still zero originality.
Always copying the words of others.
What a pathetic specimen.
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 15:45
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That's funny, I thought that your post above: -
In The Land of the B - 10 Jun 2011 14:45 - 5239 of 5244
Declaration of Palestinian state will be "postponed".
was reporting news that you had read in the same way that mine was. Not surprising as logic never seems to be your strong point.
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 15:55
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Errr....no actually.
You confuse "news" and "facts" with propaganda.
You must learn, as you failed to do in your infancy, that not everybody simply copies someone else as you do.
And not everybody is the same, just as there are good Palestinians and good Israelis, bad Palestinians and bad Israelis, and everything in between - JUST LIKE THE REST OF HUMANITY. GET IT? NO, I THOUGHT NOT. IT'S A DIFFICULT CONCEPT FOR A PARROT TO GRASP.
You really are a mess.
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 16:14
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That's your biggest problem. You seem to think that this has something to do with Jews, whereas it has nothing to do with them. It is not to do with good Jews or bad Jews. It is just to do with extremist people in power in Israel. That's what it has always been.
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 16:17
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Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot Repetition parrot
Who's a silly boy, then...........
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 16:20
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Why are you so obsessed with anti-semitism? I know it is a tactic used to deflect criticism of Israel, but you can't be stupid enough to think it still works. But maybe you are.
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 16:26
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You read only what you want to see, try reading my posts properly.........LOL........so much for your pride in not being objective.......LOL
In The Land of the B
- 10 Jun 2011 16:47
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Why are you so obsessed with Israel? I know it is a tactic used to deflect rampant anti-semitism, (though NOT by everybody as some criticism of the Israeli government is reasonable) but you can't be stupid enough to think it still works. But maybe you are.
Mirror, mirror, on the perch, who is the thickest of them all?
Haystack
- 10 Jun 2011 22:39
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This thread is about Israel, that is why I post about it.
If anyone is a parrot, it is you. All you have to reply is anti-semitism and Hitler...
It indicates the bankrupcy of your arguments.
Fred1new
- 11 Jun 2011 10:31
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Hays,
I do admire you stamina.
I am not certain who your protagonist is, but guessing from the "squelched list".
I think that the present Israeli's administration and some "right" winged Zionists figures, propaganda, arguments in defence of their actions are simply crass, inadequate and without validity.
Many of the Israeli actions are seen by the majority of world opinion as indefensible.
As can be seen on this thread, many supporters of their political positioning have to resort to and rely on character assassination, and threats. This exposes any valid argument they may have, to be dismissed. Also, when personally attacked as belonging to different racial, cultural, or religious groups it highlights the differences without advancing the arguments,
Another problem, produced by the extremists, is that many, who were supporters of much of what was conceived at the time of construction of The State of Israel in the 40-50, have lost sympathy with the extreme actions of the Zionist extremes.
I still think that the only sensible endpoint for the region will be a single secular egalitarian democratic state, with respect of the equal rights for all members.
(To a degree that is what has led to peace in Ireland.)
I would suppose that such a state is at least 10-20years away.
zalima12
- 11 Jun 2011 12:06
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Well Done Fred and Hay for saying what most in Mainstream, fail to understand, that the state of Israel was created by forcing the indigenous population, i.e. the Palestinians from their home with brute force, and getting their Jewish friends in the west to recognise them as having a Jewish state, what followed for the next 50 years or so is the struggle of the Palestinian people against the oppression and occupation of land, that the Jews believed was their 'Promised Land'.
I always thought the Jewish scriptures talked about tolerance, but there has been none of that over the last 50 years.
Also one 'mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter', Im sure some of you out there have heard that expression.
All in all the Zionist regime, through their brain washing of the mainstream populations of the west, through their control of the media, have been able to trick people in to thinking that the Israelis are the oppressed and they are protecting themselves. But what are the protecting themselves from, the occasional rocket that drops in Israeli cities, which I don't condone, but can understand.
This is all about your ideology and perception of what is right and wrong. Those of us who have independent thought and are able to disseminate information that is fed to us from various media streams and also look at history and the stories of individuals are able to see, clear as day, that the Zionist state is the oppressor, the occupier and the transgressor of a multitude of crimes against a population that has been starved from any kind of economic and social development through the acts of state terrorism perpetrated by Israel and its allies
In The Land of the B
- 11 Jun 2011 12:07
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parrot - as I've said before, one can't debate with you as you are like Goebbels churning out his propaganda.
You cannot "discuss" an agenda based on premises of extreme prejudice and hatred as is your agenda.
The following brief comment is for the sensible non anti-semites who form the vast majority, that is NOT freddie, parrot or fahel.
With rational objective people it's different, I can and do discuss the rights and wrongs of Israeli government actions, for example I feel strongly that no more settlements should be built and those who support the actions of further settlement expansion are utterly and completely wrong.
Of course a lot of what the UK and the US do in other people's lands I also disagree with strongly, e.g. invading and bombing Muslim countries. Nothing is completely black and white, of course, for example, taking out Bin Laden on Pakistani land was absolutely correct.
I'm happy to discuss rationally with people with whom I disagree about many things, including Israel and the Palestinian state, (which I fully support the creation of), but with the likes of freddie parrot and fahel and one or two thers who have briefly appeared on this thread, there can be no "debate" because you are so completely one sided and consumed not with reconciliation and peace, but with your own extremist hatreds.
Haystack
- 11 Jun 2011 12:31
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Once again all you can say is anti-semitism. There is no evidence that this is the case. It is the pathetic response where there is no real defence of Israel. It is not a question of no more settlements. It should be removing existing settlements and allowing the return of Palestinian refugees many of whom still live in squalor in camps in Lebanon. there is no basis of reconciliation while Israeli politics is dominated by the extreme right wing.
Haystack
- 11 Jun 2011 12:40
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The IAEA is reporting Syria to the UN security council for having a covert programme of nuclear development. The hypocrasy is amazing. Israel has had nuclear weapons since at least 1967. Where is the condemnation of of that covert development.
From today's Israeli newspapers
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=224514
'Iran to convene nuclear conference targeting Israel'
Iranian official says conference will focus on "Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity," stresses that US and its allies continue to "ignore Tel Aviv's looming nuclear threats to the Middle East," DPA reports.
Iran will convene a nuclear disarmament conference that will focus on the international community's "policy of overlooking Israel's nuclear programs," DPA reported on Saturday quoting Iranian official media.
According to the report, Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Mehdi Akhoundzadeh, who will lead the conference, said the conference will target "Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity" and what he said was Israel's refusal to neither confirm or deny that it allegedly possesses nuclear weapons.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-to-host-conference-targeting-israel-s-nuclear-program-1.367093
Iran to host conference targeting Israel's nuclear program
The conference is to focus on Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity and its refusal to neither confirm nor deny its alleged possession of nuclear weapons.
Iran will host a conference on nuclear disarmament that will target the international community's policy of overlooking Israel's nuclear programs, official media reported Saturday.
Deputy Foreign Minister Mehdi Akhoundzadeh, who will chair the conference, said the focus would be on Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity and its refusal to neither confirm nor deny its alleged possession of nuclear weapons.
"The United States and its allies continue to put pressure on countries like Iran that have no nuclear weapons, while ignoring Tel Aviv's looming nuclear threats to the Middle East," Akhoundzadeh told news network Press TV.
Haystack
- 11 Jun 2011 13:01
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Real peace only possible 'if Hamas on board'
A lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians is only possible if Hamas is involved, a group of former top statesmen and diplomats said in a letter made public on Friday.
In the letter, which is addressed to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, 24 former international figures warned against the dangers of rejecting a recent Palestinian unity deal aimed at ending years of bad blood between the secular Fatah faction and Gaza's Hamas rulers.
Among the signatories are four former EU prime ministers, including Italy's Massimo D'Alema and Denmark's Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, and 11 ex-foreign ministers, including Hubert Vedrine of France and Gareth Evans of Australia.
Former Israeli foreign minister Shlomo Ben-Ami and veteran Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi also signed the letter.