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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 11 Jun 2011 12:40 - 5257 of 6906

The IAEA is reporting Syria to the UN security council for having a covert programme of nuclear development. The hypocrasy is amazing. Israel has had nuclear weapons since at least 1967. Where is the condemnation of of that covert development.

From today's Israeli newspapers

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=224514
'Iran to convene nuclear conference targeting Israel'

Iranian official says conference will focus on "Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity," stresses that US and its allies continue to "ignore Tel Aviv's looming nuclear threats to the Middle East," DPA reports.

Iran will convene a nuclear disarmament conference that will focus on the international community's "policy of overlooking Israel's nuclear programs," DPA reported on Saturday quoting Iranian official media.

According to the report, Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Mehdi Akhoundzadeh, who will lead the conference, said the conference will target "Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity" and what he said was Israel's refusal to neither confirm or deny that it allegedly possesses nuclear weapons.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-to-host-conference-targeting-israel-s-nuclear-program-1.367093

Iran to host conference targeting Israel's nuclear program
The conference is to focus on Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity and its refusal to neither confirm nor deny its alleged possession of nuclear weapons.

Iran will host a conference on nuclear disarmament that will target the international community's policy of overlooking Israel's nuclear programs, official media reported Saturday.

Deputy Foreign Minister Mehdi Akhoundzadeh, who will chair the conference, said the focus would be on Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity and its refusal to neither confirm nor deny its alleged possession of nuclear weapons.

"The United States and its allies continue to put pressure on countries like Iran that have no nuclear weapons, while ignoring Tel Aviv's looming nuclear threats to the Middle East," Akhoundzadeh told news network Press TV.

Haystack - 11 Jun 2011 13:01 - 5258 of 6906

Real peace only possible 'if Hamas on board'

A lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians is only possible if Hamas is involved, a group of former top statesmen and diplomats said in a letter made public on Friday.

In the letter, which is addressed to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, 24 former international figures warned against the dangers of rejecting a recent Palestinian unity deal aimed at ending years of bad blood between the secular Fatah faction and Gaza's Hamas rulers.

Among the signatories are four former EU prime ministers, including Italy's Massimo D'Alema and Denmark's Poul Nyrup Rasmussen, and 11 ex-foreign ministers, including Hubert Vedrine of France and Gareth Evans of Australia.

Former Israeli foreign minister Shlomo Ben-Ami and veteran Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi also signed the letter.

Haystack - 12 Jun 2011 15:25 - 5259 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/iran-urges-world-community-to-pressure-israel-into-joining-non-proliferation-treaty-1.367228

Iran urges world community to pressure Israel into joining Non-Proliferation Treaty

Tehran says Israel should subject its nuclear programs to international oversight and that the U.S. as Israel's main sponsor has the responsibility to halt its nuclear threat to the region.

Iran called on the world community Sunday to pressure Israel to join the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and subject its nuclear programs to international oversight.

"The world community should put pressure on the Zionist regime (Israel) to join the NPT and allow inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)," Iranian Foreign Minister Ali-Akbar Salehi said.

Speaking at a conference on nuclear disarmament in Tehran, Salehi called the Israeli nuclear bomb arsenal as the main threat to the Middle East.

Salehi also said the United States as Israel's main sponsor has the responsibility to halt its nuclear threat to the region.

The two-day Tehran conference was mainly focused on Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity and its refusal to neither confirm nor deny the possession of nuclear weapons.

Iran argues that instead of depriving Iran from civil nuclear use, the world powers should focus their attention on Israel, which it says operates in secret.

Haystack - 12 Jun 2011 22:56 - 5260 of 6906

An international report published on Sunday monitored a noticeable escalation in Israeli targeting of Palestinian children over a period of two months.

UNICEF said in its report that the Israeli occupation forces killed ten Palestinian children including a girl while 117 were wounded including 4 girls in March and April of 2011.

It pointed out that the figures reflected acute rise compared to the months of January and February 2011 when 3 children were killed and 64 were injured.

The report said that six children were killed in Gaza Strip including three who were killed in the buffer zone.

It said that 44% of the casualties occurred in occupied Jerusalem with 88% of those in Silwan and 12% in Sheikh Jarrah.

UNICEF called for separate investigation of each civilian casualty especially children and to bring to account all those involved in committing illegitimate acts.

TANKER - 13 Jun 2011 07:53 - 5261 of 6906

iran a nation who kills its own people for pleasure .they have no human rights in iran
only when they are told they are going to be killed for the good of iran.

Haystack - 13 Jun 2011 11:29 - 5262 of 6906

True. It is similar to Syria, Libya, Saudi, Bahrain and Yemen in this regard. It is not the people that are the problem, but the governments of Iran, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen and Israel.

Fred1new - 13 Jun 2011 12:08 - 5263 of 6906

British troops in Iraq, Afghanistan. USA troops in Vietnam, etc.

Haystack - 13 Jun 2011 13:36 - 5264 of 6906

I am quite happy with the first two. I think Vietnam was a big mistake though.

fahel - 13 Jun 2011 18:49 - 5265 of 6906

Here is a sampling of settler behavior
Documentary: The Actions of Settlers in Hebron (Tel Rumeida)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kem1ajIKv1k

fahel - 13 Jun 2011 18:50 - 5266 of 6906

Portland BDS Coalition Flash Mobs New Seasons: May 29, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI6MY2qeKH0

fahel - 13 Jun 2011 18:54 - 5267 of 6906

celebrate the "reunion of Jerusalem" 1.6.2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Qsapnz_n4

fahel - 13 Jun 2011 18:58 - 5268 of 6906

American-Jewish young man is being harassed and treated unfairly he is then arrested in Jerusalem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjbTR8Br_w

fahel - 13 Jun 2011 19:21 - 5269 of 6906

JerusalemDayParade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt8sATPbXM4

fahel - 15 Jun 2011 12:46 - 5270 of 6906

Rage against Israel rises in EU as activists urge export embargo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32t2bUzKmjE&feature=share

fahel - 15 Jun 2011 13:17 - 5271 of 6906

Rabbi charged with raping 12-year-old girl

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4081490,00.html

ExecLine - 15 Jun 2011 13:38 - 5272 of 6906

I've just returned from my local health club, where the new Restaurant Manager is of genetic Asian extraction. I didn't ask him, but I presume his family originates from Pakistan or Bangladesh.

I berated him about the cleanliness of the Menu cards and tables. Both are actually 'wipe-downable' but aren't getting such treatment. The dining tables were fairly sticky from food and drink spillages and so were the cards. (I'm sure you know what mean? The waitress typically clears away but doesn't wipe the table!!! The Menus just go on to get dirtier and dirtier and dirtier still).

This doesn't mean that I'm a rascist and anti-Asian.

Neither does it mean that we should be anti-Jewish just because some Rabbi rapes a little girl.

Haystack - 15 Jun 2011 13:45 - 5273 of 6906

I agree. There are people who abuse children from all religions and races.

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2011 14:48 - 5274 of 6906

Exec,

The problem with p.5272 is that you are associating ideas.

The dining tables were fairly sticky from food and drink spillages and so were the cards.

Ie. Asian extraction. Pakistan or Bangladesh and then making the statement "I'm sure you know what mean? The waitress typically clears away but doesn't wipe the table!!! The Menus just go on to get dirtier and dirtier and dirtier still).

This allows the reader, who is not critical, to make a false link.

The effect may be intended or otherwise.

The difficulty in this area is to be critically factual of a "behaviour", "attitude" or "opinion" without "denigrating" the person or/and associating it to a grouping which they may belongs to.

Doing a stupid action, does not necessarily make a person stupid. Many don't make that distinction.

ExecLine - 15 Jun 2011 16:08 - 5275 of 6906

Which is what I said, Fred. ie. One sloppy Asian Manager doesn't make all Asians poor restaurant managers, bad Asian managers, dirty Asians, or anything else either.

:-)

I notice Haystack agreed with me. I noticed that so did you too, Fred. Thanks for sticking to the point (it does make a bit of a change).

PS Fred. Congrats on getting so much support to keep you around this place. It would be really great and I'm sure you'd be liked a lot more, if you could debate by sticking to the point of an opponent's topic, question or query and not stray away from it by ignoring it and bringing in something else.

Indeed, it's because you do that and also so unobjectively despise anything 'Tory', that you are disliked so much.

On another point, I'm sad to hear Hilary has gone. She was a valued contributor.

I personally, would like to think she left because she didn't feel there was an adequant audience for her contributions. The traffic was too 'one-way'.

You can only keep opening doors for others if they say, 'Thank you'. If they can't be bothered to do so and no one seems to appreciate it, then opening the door for someone else, does seem to be a bit daft and pointless.

So I think she weighed up the pro's and con's and then probably said, '...and there's Fred as well.' ;-)

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2011 19:20 - 5276 of 6906

Exec,

I learned a long time ago to accept myself warts and all.

When I make a statement, it is the argument that I am interested in, not whether I am liked or disliked.

(Also, I learned a long time ago to dissociate the person from the argument being presented.)

Again, I was taught to question and evaluate the statement and answers given by myself or others. Often exposed false "beliefs" and lack of real thought on my own part and that of others.

Again you attribute a position to me Indeed, "it's because you do that and also so unobjectively despise anything 'Tory', that you are disliked so much". This, from those who know me well, is patently not so.

Repetitions of such sweeping statements tend to irritate, when repeated in one form or another and tend to be used in group attacks" of one form or another.

If you said that I bait posters, who I think make sweeping statements, from what I consider pedestals of clay, you are correct. More often with tongue in cheek than I think, you suspect.

If you read back through my previous postings, you might be able to review this opinion.

I must admit, although being a member of a few clubs and partaking of various groups, I have in general, been an observer rather than an adherent of the mores of any specific group.

Being a member of a group never seemed to add to my validity. (Swings and roundabouts.) But I would like to thank those who you think have lent me support.

However, I didn't realise that when a topic appeared to be under discussion, that it could only developed within prescribe rules.

If the latter is so, please enumerate your rules.
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As far as Hilary is concerned, I would supposed she contributes at her own volition. If one gives it out , it would seem sensible to be able to accept being challenged and rebuffed in the same manner.

However, I wish her no ill-will.





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