Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

fred what are the tory scum selling now they have sold their souls to the devil

the cons know that they will not be in power so destroying the nhs before they are kicked out everthing they sell should taken back without profit to the swines who have bought .. vote labour get this scum out they eat and dance with the devil

damned if i remember which major enquiry - another on iraq perhaps? - which bambi was asked to attend about a week ago, but he decided he was "just too busy to do so"!

Why you can always trust the Tories!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30397329



A third of NHS contracts awarded to private firms - report

Private firms 'win 70% of NHS bids'


A third of NHS contracts in England have been awarded to private sector providers since the service was reorganised in 2013, figures suggest.

The information comes from a Freedom of Information request made by the British Medical Journal.

Of 3,494 contracts awarded by 182 Clinical Commissioning Groups in England between April 2013 and August 2014, 33% went to the private sector.

The government says the data is misleading.

It's unclear how much the contracts were worth because the CCGS would not disclose this information citing commercial sensitivities.

A Department of Health spokesperson said: "Official NHS accounts show that use of the private sector amounts to only six pence in every pound the NHS spends, slowing the rate of increase to just one penny since May 2010.

"Charities, social enterprises and other providers of healthcare play an important role in the NHS, as they have done for many years."


Slow creep

The investigation looked at different types of contract to provide NHS clinical services, including those awarded to a single provider without an open tender, those awarded via a competitive tendering process, and those awarded to multiple providers under Any Qualified Provider - a government policy that opened up a wide range of community-based NHS services to different providers from outside the NHS.

Private sector providers were most successful at winning contracts awarded via competitive tender - 80 compared with 59 won by NHS providers.

NHS budget spent on commissioning private providers

YEAR AMOUNT (% OF NHS BUDGET)

2006/07 2.8 %
2007/08 3.4 %
2008/09 3.9 %
2009/10 4.4 %
2010/11 4.9 %
2011/12 5.3 %
2012/13 5.5 %
2013/14 6.1 %

Public money?


"It's unclear how much the contracts were worth because the CCGS would not disclose this information citing commercial sensitivities."

Am not a fan of Nick Clegg , but he outclassed Harriet Harman at PMQ

it's certainly far from impossible that outsourcing NHS contracts is more economical and makes better use of funds and facilities ...... you'll have noticed that many companies do likewise, and this is little different

More like its Camoron and his cronies helping there mates out.

if that's what you want to think, then so be it, even if you aren't even working with full facts ...... but then, as so often, the full facts would probably not suit your agenda

Tory lord bids for biggest NHS privatisation deal yet – Mirror Online8/12/2014


Lord Norman Blackwell [Image: Getty].

Once a policy chief for Margaret Thatcher and John Major, Lord Norman Blackwell is a key figure in Interserve plc’s bid to trouser £1.2 billion worth of NHS contracts, according to Mirror Online.

Once a policy chief for Margaret Thatcher and John Major, Lord Norman Blackwell is a key figure in Interserve plc’s bid to trouser £1.2 billion worth of NHS contracts, according to Mirror Online.

Cyners and have you got the full facts???????????????????????????????????????????

so if you havent why make this statement.........

cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 10 Dec 2014 13:12 - 52607 of 52610

it's certainly far from impossible that outsourcing NHS contracts is more economical and makes better use of funds and facilities.....................................ends

thats not full facts its a silly assumption you are making.

and as before, this is only part of the story ..... and no i also have no idea what the whole is either

any idea of the FULL FACTS - eg what the contracts actually are and why NHS feels they are better outsourced than kept in-house?
you might like to consider discovering who else bid and how far short of this chap's offerings they were

on minimal further thought, you wouldn't want to check too closely would you :-)

my assumption is more of a question .... in any case, it's a damn sight more sensible than your accusation, for unlike you, i do not try to point a finger

Manuel.

When you outsource from the NHs to Private providers etc, the profits from the contracts go to the shareholders of the companies, whereas if within "work" was within the NHS, the "savings" could be directed back into the NHS.

The companies who have contracted to them are paid out of public taxation and profiting from the state.
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I would not say that there are not occasions when outsourcing is not sensible, or buying in of "skills", expertise and "technology" is not expedient.

However, that should be on short term only, and if going the expertise should be developed internally or contracted in.

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The present deals give many the feeling of rewards for the boys for favours past and future.

Banana public dealings!

71 coalition MPs who voted for NHS sell-off linked to health firms

18 November 2014


Len McCluskey, Unite general secretary said: “The sheer scale of this conflict of interest is staggering, but it is the ongoing sell-off of our NHS that makes this the real scandal for our democracy.



More: http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/71-coalition-mps-who-voted-for-nhs-sell-off-linked-to-health-firms/

in that case fred, ask yourself why any contracts are outsourced
indeed you could ask yourself the same question of any company that does this, though the answer is usually self-apparent

unlike you, i have no interest in banging some political drum

As Clegg pointed out to Harriet today, it was the previous Labour government that set up lots of sweetheart deals with private companies to supply the NHS. All of them on very bad terms.

Clegg was thrashed by Harman and also a point of order was made (by Andy Burnham) against his lie that Labour privatised that hospital he made so much of.

Hes now had to send a groveling apology note.

Cyners why is it that you Tories always think services are better run in private hands????

Theirs numerous examples of both private and Nationalised being better, so please in future THINK ON.

Or Ill ask you to leave the chamber.....ORDER ORDER ORDER will the tall lanky git from down south known as HAYS please reframe from spitting in the house. Youl have plenty of time to do that on the street outside......mark my words.

CYNIC