Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Public money?


"It's unclear how much the contracts were worth because the CCGS would not disclose this information citing commercial sensitivities."

Am not a fan of Nick Clegg , but he outclassed Harriet Harman at PMQ

it's certainly far from impossible that outsourcing NHS contracts is more economical and makes better use of funds and facilities ...... you'll have noticed that many companies do likewise, and this is little different

More like its Camoron and his cronies helping there mates out.

if that's what you want to think, then so be it, even if you aren't even working with full facts ...... but then, as so often, the full facts would probably not suit your agenda

Tory lord bids for biggest NHS privatisation deal yet – Mirror Online8/12/2014


Lord Norman Blackwell [Image: Getty].

Once a policy chief for Margaret Thatcher and John Major, Lord Norman Blackwell is a key figure in Interserve plc’s bid to trouser £1.2 billion worth of NHS contracts, according to Mirror Online.

Once a policy chief for Margaret Thatcher and John Major, Lord Norman Blackwell is a key figure in Interserve plc’s bid to trouser £1.2 billion worth of NHS contracts, according to Mirror Online.

Cyners and have you got the full facts???????????????????????????????????????????

so if you havent why make this statement.........

cynic Send an email to cynic View cynic's profile - 10 Dec 2014 13:12 - 52607 of 52610

it's certainly far from impossible that outsourcing NHS contracts is more economical and makes better use of funds and facilities.....................................ends

thats not full facts its a silly assumption you are making.

and as before, this is only part of the story ..... and no i also have no idea what the whole is either

any idea of the FULL FACTS - eg what the contracts actually are and why NHS feels they are better outsourced than kept in-house?
you might like to consider discovering who else bid and how far short of this chap's offerings they were

on minimal further thought, you wouldn't want to check too closely would you :-)

my assumption is more of a question .... in any case, it's a damn sight more sensible than your accusation, for unlike you, i do not try to point a finger

Manuel.

When you outsource from the NHs to Private providers etc, the profits from the contracts go to the shareholders of the companies, whereas if within "work" was within the NHS, the "savings" could be directed back into the NHS.

The companies who have contracted to them are paid out of public taxation and profiting from the state.
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I would not say that there are not occasions when outsourcing is not sensible, or buying in of "skills", expertise and "technology" is not expedient.

However, that should be on short term only, and if going the expertise should be developed internally or contracted in.

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The present deals give many the feeling of rewards for the boys for favours past and future.

Banana public dealings!

71 coalition MPs who voted for NHS sell-off linked to health firms

18 November 2014


Len McCluskey, Unite general secretary said: “The sheer scale of this conflict of interest is staggering, but it is the ongoing sell-off of our NHS that makes this the real scandal for our democracy.



More: http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/71-coalition-mps-who-voted-for-nhs-sell-off-linked-to-health-firms/

in that case fred, ask yourself why any contracts are outsourced
indeed you could ask yourself the same question of any company that does this, though the answer is usually self-apparent

unlike you, i have no interest in banging some political drum

As Clegg pointed out to Harriet today, it was the previous Labour government that set up lots of sweetheart deals with private companies to supply the NHS. All of them on very bad terms.

Clegg was thrashed by Harman and also a point of order was made (by Andy Burnham) against his lie that Labour privatised that hospital he made so much of.

Hes now had to send a groveling apology note.

Cyners why is it that you Tories always think services are better run in private hands????

Theirs numerous examples of both private and Nationalised being better, so please in future THINK ON.

Or Ill ask you to leave the chamber.....ORDER ORDER ORDER will the tall lanky git from down south known as HAYS please reframe from spitting in the house. Youl have plenty of time to do that on the street outside......mark my words.

CYNIC

Manuel,

All other than you are political, unless of course it suits you.

The actions by politicians on the NHS are bound to be of a political nature.

In the case of NHS outsourcing, much of it is based on current or should it be "currant" tory market ideology.

Also, Cameron is bleating constantly that the NHS is safe in his hands.

I wouldn't touch him with latex gloves on and dressed in Embola protective clothingn.

i didn't say anything like that .... try reading what i actually wrote, for it wasn't remotely ambiguous, and then comment again if you so desire

All other than you are political
boloney!
in fact there's probably a considerable majority who are perfectly able and do comment in a non-partisan way

how politicians (re)act is nothing whatsoever to do with what i asked

Manuel,

Well, you don't appear to be able to do so.

Your rigidity of thought is truly amazing.

Do you have a photo of Maggie as your guardian angel above your bed at night!