Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The future under the CON party tories.

Grommit vows to out tory the tories.....



Ed Miliband vows to wield the axe on public services to balance books





Labour pledges to cut deficit while protecting services




Andrew Grice Author Biography


Politcal Editor


Wednesday 10 December 2014




Ed Miliband will make a pitch for the political centre ground today by pledging to cut the budgets of most Whitehall departments every year until the nation’s books are balanced. In his most crucial economic speech since becoming Labour leader, he will tackle the party’s lack of credibility on the issue by unveiling a “tough but balanced” approach to clearing the deficit by the end of the 2015-20 parliament.



His shift will be welcomed by Blairite MPs, who have been urging him to say more about where Labour would make painful cuts.

Ed Balls, the shadow Chancellor, has written to Shadow Cabinet members ordering them to spell out how they would reduce their department’s spending every year until the deficit has been eliminated. Only the NHS and overseas aid are exempt from the squeeze, but Labour is likely to pledge to ring-fence the education budget before next May’s general election.

Mr Miliband believes that George Osborne left the centre ground open for Labour in last week’s Autumn Statement post-election cuts that would reduce state spending to its lowest level as a share of national income since the 1930s. Speaking in London today, the Labour leader will accuse the Conservatives of being “extreme and ideological, committed to a dramatic shrinking of the state… They are doing it, not because they have to do it, but because they want to.”

He will seek to reassure progressive voters that Labour’s tougher approach to the deficit will not mean copying the Tories. “We will deal with the deficit but we will never return to the 1930s,” he will say, insisting that working people would pay the price of not tackling the deficit.



More total bollox here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ed-miliband-vows-towield-the-axe-on-public-services-9916560.html

so labour won't implement cuts .... it'll (ahem!) just axe money
and if it's coming from gov't spending and central gov't depts, how will that not affect all and sundry?

perhaps they'll increase taxes - and that of course means on middle management too, who are presumably not classed as "working people" - but that won't make much impression other than to deplete the spending power across the country

very original and different

It's a corker innit?

really little different if at all from the "austerity measures" already in place and forecast to come ....... and of course this is entirely and utterly the wrong strategy, so certain elements have been telling us

pah!
spot the difference between indigo and indigo, other than that the leader of one is portrayed as a useless toff while the other is just plain useless

You would prefer:



or

No NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

you dont understand labours plan.

It will find efficiency savings and sell off government/Crown owned land, property, and assets not direct tax payers land, property and assets that are included in GDP.

PLUS they have already said they will raise some taxes. ie, 45% back to 50%.

Anyway I suggest you watch Milli on Sky later on this morning.

And ALL ALONG Balls has maintained labour would cut but at a slower pace than the Tories and not for ideaology reasons ie the shrinking of the state.

GET A GRIP TORY BOYS.

And you MAX you have gone back from UKIP to the tories. shame on you.

history shows that with rare exceptions, it actually makes little difference which shade of indigo is in power

they all make fine sounding pre-election noises, and then as soon as they get into power, it whoops and all the usual excuses

in fairness to all (and who on earth in their right senses would want to be PM in the first place?), it is primarily external factors that govern the gov't ...... if they get lucky, then they're deemed to have done a good job, and obviously the reverse also applies

despite all the total crap that is deposited on this site - which is why so little is even worth reading - no PM or his party want to get into power to shaft all and sundry for their personal enrichment

after the event, some show less wonderful traits ..... one might mention Mr Anthony Charles Lynton Blair (an excellent working class name), but of course that would be just spiteful and unfounded, wouldn't it

If you dont like posting here Cynic go away then.

Im sure you can find an acomadating thread for your type on advfn for what you wish to debate, further more from what you have posted above its just goes to show how you hold posters here in utter contempt.

If you dont like us, FCUK OFF.

don't get so tetchy
if you don't like what i post, you can squelch me

i don't actually hold you or fred or hays in contempt; why would i? ...... i just find your repetitive posts tiresomely dull which is why i skip past 95% of them

If you dont like us, FCUK OFF then.

oh don't be so pathetic and puerile!

No youve made your statement, your the pathetic one. 95% of whats on here is below YOUR STATION

May I suggest you spend more time at your local Tory Golf Club , there then you wont find yourself talking down to PLEBS.

nah nah ne nah nah ..... and yah boo sucks!!!!!

what the hell's got into you this morning?

and having looked back, i'm very happy to stand by my post 57218, which i still think is a pretty balanced view even if it makes you unhappy

gf's medication is not working this morning

GF.

I agree with you about Manuel.

He is a moaner.

He likes giving his opinion on seemingly everything, but would like to suppress the opinion of others. Typical bully boy tory attitudes prevalent in the present broken leadership of the torid party.

He has to give his opinions away, nobody when he is at home would probably listen to him, certainly not pay for them.

A shoddy little man comes to mind.

Haystack

Here's an opinion you had, which proved to be totally correct:

Husband and wife from Northampton face jail after pleading guilty to US$1 million fraud conspiracy charge - Paul and Sandra Dunham

Northampton Chronicle
Published on 10 December 2014, 21:30

Northampton couple Paul and Sandra Dunham have pleaded guilty to conspiring to commit fraud against their American employer.

The Dunhams, who were extradited to the United States after a long legal battle, admitted the charge which related to US$ 1 million of fraud against PACE Worldwide.

Paul Dunham, aged 59, also pleaded guilty to money laundering. He now faces up to 20 years in jail for conspiracy and money laundering.

Sandra Dunham, aged 58, under a plea bargaining deal, will be sentenced to 60 days in prison. Sentencing for both will take place on January 29.

The guilty pleas were reported on the FIB Baltimore division’s website tonight.

The statement by the US Attorney’s Office said Paul Dunham held a number of executive positions including president and chief operating officer. Sandra Dunham, aged 58, was director of sales and marketing director.

They relocated to Maryland and North Carolina and were given corporate credit cards, the FBI said.

“Between 2002 and 2009, Paul and Sandra Dunham fraudulently charged personal expenses to their corporate credit cards and submitted vouchers to PACE for reimbursement that falsely described the expenditures as business expenses,” it said.

“For example, Paul Dunham represented that $3,007 had been spent on meals during business meetings, when in fact the money was spent on luxury bedding for his upscale North Carolina residence.

“Sandra Dunham sought reimbursement for $8,397 which she represented as expenses incurred to cancel a vacation due to a business meeting, when these expenses were actually mortgage payments the couple made on two separate time share units the couple had purchased in Barbados.

“Other personal expenses which were falsely described as business expenditures included personal legal fees, expensive furniture, a domed pet residence and a dog sofa,” the statement said.

“The couple also fraudulently billed PACE Europe Ltd. for business expenses already paid by PACE Worldwide, obtaining duplicate reimbursements,” it added.

The statement said: “In addition, a substantial portion of the scheme involved Paul Dunham abusing a private position of trust to manage and direct others, including his secretary, in the execution of the scheme.

“Moreover, Paul Dunham repeatedly forged receipts and invoices to create the false appearance that they were for business, rather than personal expenses.

“As a result of the lengthy scheme, US$1 million in actual losses were incurred. Paul and Sandra Dunham have agreed to forfeit and pay restitution of $1 million,” the statement added.

Paul Dunham's Guilty Plea is available to be read in full detail HERE.

The Guilty Plea document is about 12 pages long, with the 'stipulated facts' details of the crimes committed ranging from page 9 to page 12.

http://order-order.com/2014/12/11/poll-labour-wont-deliver-the-programme-british-people-want/

Poll: Labour Won’t Deliver “Programme British People Want”



How many relaunches is that now? Ed Miliband’s big speech on the economy today is being tipped by sympathetic quarters of the press as showing Labour are serious about reducing the deficit, so at least there’s no chance he will forget to mention it this time. Yet Ed is also going to attack the Tories for planning to cut spending to “1930s levels”, insisting “That is not our programme, that will never be our programme, and I do not believe it is the programme the British people want”. Just one problem: a ComRes poll for ITV out last night shows that this is the “programme the British people want”. 33% support cutting spending to 1930s levels, 26% oppose. Another great relaunch success…