Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays do you really think the average sweaty builder and white van man gives a toss or even knows that fact. Stop talking silly.

The average sweaty builder thinks Milibland is a geek and an idiot.

Shortie, post 52743 - absolutely right. Miliband doesn't look comfortable in his own skin. Labour's Chris Leslie couldn't answer any questions posed by Andrew Neill on the Daily Politics show today.

The average sweaty builder would probably make a better leader of the Labour party than the present incumbent.

GOD as just spoken on Twitter........

Ed Miliband ‏@Ed_Miliband 28 seconds ago
Our economic plan: Sensible reductions in spending, not the Tory slash and burn of public services.

Hays the average sweaty builder and white van man thinks YOU are a geek and an idiot.

He may well be deluded into thinking he is god.

He can't be god as he doesn't believe in god.

Haze,

He shows a characteristic which you are obviously short of.

Looks like Dave as been on the pies and sauerkraut via his trip to Auschwitz.........

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I've never voted Conservative in my life and expect I never will. Everytime Milly speaks he looks like he's chewing a wasp and his facial expressions detract from whatever it is he's saying... I wish politicians would also not speak so slow and all the gesturing with the hands like there trying to strangle a pensioner over the NHS is also very off putting... Nigel has the right idea, hold a beer in the local to sort the hands, smile like your pissed and blurt out whatever comes to mind... That's how it should be, who cares if he goes and upsets some weird group, least he has a backbone, unlike Davy or Milly who just speak and never really end up saying anything of significance that is if your still awake by the time they've finished!

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Not a chance!

Miliband admitted that his economic plans involve cuts. However, he won't specify where these cuts would be. Is that because he doesn't know or won't say. In either case he is lying.

Milliband "I don't believe in God personally but I have great respect for those people who do and different people have different religious views in this country" - As per the above...

Why he couldn't have just said "I don't believe in God personally" and leave it at that just answering the question without having to state what we all know that "different people have different religious views in this country" is beyond me. Just a typical example of him banging on for no apparent reason... My 6 year old does this to be centre of attention, you'd have thought Milly and Davy would have grown out of it by now....

Couldn't resist, just to brighten up the thread a little... hubber, hubber!!

EM's speech etc
as i was driving, i tuned into "the world at one" on radio 4, on which there was an excellent discussion about labour's budgetary plans
i trust i have this right .....

Labour
1) will not change any of the cuts proposed by GO

2) will impose a mansion tax and raise top marginal to 50p, which together will yield £27bn (did i hear that right?) for an improved NHS (would that it was only money that was needed, but no matter)

3) will impose further cuts to bring the deficit to zero, i assume by end of the next parliament ...... source and depth of these cuts was not defined

4) will borrow money to fund infrastructure projects, but that is deemed a separate item from "bringing the deficit to zero" (oh really?)



Tories
1) expecting to have an overall budget surplus of £23bn (what for?) by end next parliament if not sooner


i think that's about the nub of it, so decide for yourselves if there is really any fundamental difference other than a bit of extra tax here and there ......
but do not forget that there is a difference between the two budgetary figures of £50bn (for labour to play with)

and of course, should labour get into power, it is inevitable (as was the reverse) that it will all be whoops and oh dear, and we really didn't realise that was the true situation, so we'll have to think and start again

Simplified even further the emphasis between Labour and the Con part is that Labour will attempt to help and enable the majority of society (the poorer and less able included in that group, while the Cons will continue to reward the better off (often due to inherited wealth and privileges) and their mates who purchase them. Leading to a more inequal society and increasing discontent of society which may be difficult to deal with.