Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Post 5290---There's a response to that somewhere, just can't put my finger on it. lol
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Have you noticed that the latest buzz word in the EU club is the unwelcome rise of "populists". As opposed to unpopulists I suppose - those that say "this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me, but don't worry it will do you good".
Now for me populism is putting the ordinary person above party ideology. And why not? Very few people are members of political parties - Hays apart of course.
The more populism the better, I say. It got us out of the EU, so can't be that bad. Once the French rediscover the cojones of 1789, they also will be free again. I always used to admire the Parisians for paying high taxes for a beautiful well kept city. Now Paris (and Rome) is becoming a seedy shadow of what it was.

A bit off topic but i saw the BBC prog about New York last night and the astronomical cost of housing there , Harlem is now a very expensive place to live , millions in fact to buy a flat etc . Now building above a Railway Station the cost you have to hear it yourself . Watch it on i player its incredible .

5293 - just a more politic word for rabble-rousing or soapbox oratory appealing to the great unwashed

What about NATIONALISM which usually goes after Populist in the pro-eu oratory,
either way they think its an obstacle against the EU super dream project...

What about NATIONALISM which usually goes after Populist in the pro-eu oratory,
either way they think its an obstacle against the EU super dream project...

ah, that's very different of course and much nastier in its perception and for good reason

NO anyone who is patriotic is accused of being nationalistic to anyone on the
left, unless you are an SNP, or a Welsh nationalist, mention you're an English
nationalist and you're a little englander racist bigot.

Yes, but the ingrish are arse-ist, everyone knows that.

the description "nationalist" has had seriously nasty undertones ever since the 30's ..... now i wonder why that would be

patriotic may be deemed a bit jingoistic, but no worse than that

So what's your opinion on the Scottish Nationalist?

c seems to be unable to distinguish one nationalist from another....but he knows the English variety are racist.

G+M,

Patriots.

8-)
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What many of UKIP, English "Nationalists" and Marion Le Pen's National Front have in common is their wish to destroy, rather than build or construct something of value.

It is often easier to provoke or stimulate destructive "instincts" in many, which gives them “goals” they can identify with and "unify" behind. (Even when the promises or phantasies are unrealistic and plans are impractical.)

It is more difficult to utilise their constructive "instincts" and progress to more realistic goals.

What the intent of the "leadership" of such groups is may not be obvious or even realised by the leadership or the followers until much later in the process.

Perhaps, that is the basis of "populism" and its “dangers” or “problems”.

What a load of crap as usual Fred .

f1n said; "What many of UKIP, English "Nationalists" and Marion Le Pen's National Front have in common is their wish to destroy, rather than build or construct something of value."

Wrong.

I wish to preserve the British way of life.

Having voted no in the first referendum and out the second, I am doing my bit, small as it is to preserve that.

I have never forgiven deGaule for his "Les Anglais; Non" speeches when we tried to join the Common Market back in the 60's.

The two vetos

A total ungrateful person.

Yet there he was during the war, being kept at our states expense at the Savoy, and then being allowed to lead his French troops from behind the advancing Allies during the liberation of Europe, and to liberate Paris as a symbolic gesture after the Allies had won the ground in front of them.

I suspect the French hatred of anything British is because the French have never forgiven us for not allowing our army to be captured at Dunkirk, and also for not throwing in our last fighter planes over France preceding that event.

If we had, there would be an EU under another name, but still dominated by Germany as we would not have had a Battle of Britain, and we, The British, would have had to capitulate alongside the Fall of France.

Never mind the waste of lives and twice bankrupting of this country in the last century to free them from Germany tyranny.

Never mind the overt attempt to bankrupt this country by it's continued memebrship of the EU at £358 million per day that we should spend on flooding the Channel Tunnel.

Goodbye to the East Anglian farmer who before the Brexit vote, moved the production of lettuce to Poland so he could use cheap labour well below the Living Wage.

So you see, my dislike of anything European is far from deep seated, I don't bear too much of a grudge do I?

FWIW that's my balanced view.

Je dit non et au revoir mon petit chou.

Well done poo bear for letting your feelings be known . Unfortunately a certain member on this board who frequently posts , sees himself as a sort of overlord has more prejudice in him than the people he endlessly torments . Good on you .

And now we are borrowing money from the French government and asking the Chinese to build "our" UK Nuclear Power Station.

Strange country.

C'est la vie.

Excitement, dear boy, excitement!

By the way, I thought the Americans and the commonwealth "helped" to win WW2.

In triplicate now .