Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

If it was only that simple said a butterfly to another butterfly!

But I think that Wales should have the rights to make their own laws and the outlaw the English, or at least make them apply for visas (so that we can turn them down) when they intend visiting, and of course fees crossing the border increase the charges for Welsh water.

Also, double the price for Welsh Lamb, especially for certain individuals.

Fred, the voice of reason.

"Haystack - 17 Dec 2014 11:30 - 53162 of 53179

Prescott refers to Miliband as 'Red Ed' on BBC Today programming

http://order-order.com/2014/12/16/prezzas-red-ed-slip-on-today-programme/"

Have you only just discovered that H/S... please keep up.

fred - 53158 - chaos theory of course has some validity, but if the scots are so adamant that they want devolution, then it is logical that they then shouldn't have influence over the bits and pieces, some of them substantial, that are not of their direct concern

i don't approve of this being used as a political football, but it really is such a gift horse that any party would do similarly if it was to their benefit .... you will recollect that labour re-drew the constituency lines for a number of supposed sensible reasons, but of course it was really to benefit their voting demographic (if that is the right term)

As I posted before, if the majority of Scotland want independence, so be it.

I think it reasonable to try to dissuade them by reasonable argument.

However, I think it is B. stupid and the actions necessary to disentangle Scotland from UK will be costly, long winded, complicated and full of holes, if attempted.

But, I can see why the Scots and other minorities are alienated from the present governing "mob".

Prefer to see Scotland in the UK with the same representation at
Westminster as other areas of the UK.

That is what need sorting out.

If countries are bound together economically in a democracy then the law, rules regulations should apply evenly.


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Recently, I drove through the Rhondda and other valleys and was depressed by the ongoing depression in the local villages and town.

They were once bustling and had optimism "40 years" while the wealth was being plundered, without them knowing. The same happened in Scotland and other areas over memorable past.

That is one of the reason for discontentment with the London Mob rule.

there's an awful lot of "red rubbish" in your post fred, especially about wales, though i agree, it is a very depressing region (rain, sheep, slag heaps) ..... but then cornwall lost it's tin mining too

the scottish question is very different indeed ..... though the clyde used to be the ship-building centre of the world, all sorts of things meant that the yards became hopelessly uneconomic, but that really has little or even no relevance to the question in hand

the scots, for whatever reason, have demanded a degree of devolution to full independence for at least a couple of decades
now they have been granted it, its no good them (or you) complaining about the result and effects

in conclusion, we/you/they will have to live with it and adapt accordingly .... such is the way the world moves

I would expect all the Labour party to calk him 'Red Ed'.

We have a couple of word in Welsh which aptly describes you, "twp iawn".

Another area being depressed does not diminish the responsibility for those who partook in the occurrences, if it could have been avoided.

The management of the economy was short term and inappropriate and could have been different, if it hadn't been motivated by ideological greed.

you really do spout a load of crap at times or even a lot of the time

tell us about how the unions could have done so much to prevent the demise of the ship yards or the coal mines or the car industry

bet you will be unable to do that without it sticking in your craw and then telling us that it was actually pretty much everyone else's fault, with little lying at the door of the unions

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by the way, your welsh is unintelligible even to the translators on internet

The trade unions did excellent work historically. They still do very good work supporting workers in some situations.

Apart from that, many are trouble makers, empire builders and basically corrupt. They attempted to damage this country in the 1970s and since then. They ruined the car, newspaper, docks and several other industries.

The trade unions did excellent work historically

quite so, and greatly needed they were to ..... the rest of your comment is also pretty accurate, though heavy industry was heading downhill from the early 50s i think

Thats right H/S and Alf, blame anyone else accept the culprits... typical right wing rhetoric and lies.

and from the red brigade we have what?

So you agree, thank you.

twit!
let's ask again shall we?
and from the red brigade we have what?

Red mist usually.

You right wingers seem to be infatuated with the colour red, well so be it just carry on.

Haze.

Seem suitable opponents for the corrupt tory party of the period.

By the way have they found the file on the paedophile investigation carried out under Maggie and somehow lost or perhaps even covered up.

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Napoleon,

"tell us about how the unions could have done so much to prevent the demise of the ship yards or the coal mines or the car industry"


The unions were not in a position of authority, or running the economy. A lot of the time it was the rotten elements of the tory party, who were governing with their own self-interest in mind. Similar to what many think they are doing now. There is a stench coming out of Downing Street.

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Now, if you go back to the period I was referring to, and instead of attempting to score cheap points you engage in thinking a little or in your case a lot, you may be able to understand, that there are and were better ways of managing the economy of that period. The tory management based on narrow-minded ideology caused the same fragmentation and bitterness of communities and society as the present tory mobsters seem intent of doing.

If you do that then it may help you to understand the responsibilities a government of a democracy should take.

As far as the description in Welsh is concerned, instead of shooting your mouth, try a little harder, or get somebody other than me, to help you.

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If you come up with feasible alternative policies and possible actions regarding the period I described "might" be prepared to discuss them.

It was the red tint that was largely to blame. Union leaders like Scargill (and there were some worse) had politically motivated intentions that were more important to them than the benefit of their members.

Scargill and some of the print union bosses sent their members in to the valley of death.

They had no chance against the Maggon, who commanded all the cannon.


A discracefull episode on all sides!