Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

fred - that wasn't the question i asked you, so please refer back .....
however, it is interesting to note that this bratislava conference (suddenly) has immigration high on its list and that one of the "big grey suits" talks of grave concerns about the amount and depth of dissatisfaction with the eu structure across the whole eurozone ...... i'm sure i haven't distorted that

Manuel.

The EU is evolving.

Dissatisfactions and immigration problems were already recognised and being addressed in the backrooms of the EU.

But unlike the previous UK government, those considering the problems realise that there is no immediate rush to the media with ill-thought out plans.

Of course, if you have a practical and plausible solution I will be happy to read it.

oh i see; so you have insight into the "backrooms of the eu" do you? ..... isn't life full of surprises

i have no idea how things will pan out, but personally i am very certain that uk's vote to leave has been very much a catalyst in waking the eu plutocrats from their slumber .... certainly brexit has galavanised the widespread opposition to the way eu is currently being run

am i comfortable that uk will be entering uncharted waters?
of course not

Dissatisfactions and immigration problems were already recognised and being addressed in the backrooms of the EU.

Oh dear Fred you really are full of bullshit .

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One has a PhD in Marine Biology MSc etc. and thinks the fishing regulations are reasonable and justifiable attempt to maintain "fishing fields".

Really ,is she talking about the amount of fish in the sea or who has the percentage of fishing for them.

Fred1 5365

I can understand why YOU are a europhile and, so biased in your opinions,
when your daughters are/have been involved with work connected to the EU.

One of your daughters claim that "the fishing regulations are reasonable and
justifiable attempt to maintain "fishing fields"

There has not been a reduction in fishing in BRITISH waters, the fishing rights
have been allocated to other countries from the EU, British fisherman have had
their quota's cut, and the wastes have been atrocious, when the fish caught have
been the wrong size or not the species licensed to catch, which are thrown back
into the sea whether they're dead or alive, mostly dead.

And you call that preservation?????..

It ticks the right €U box granny....job done.

It's typical of Freda whatever suits his argument in his mind , that's why he gets pounded every time he remarks .

Remainiacs will talk us into recession if we let them
By Victor Hill

Do not underestimate the breadth and depth of the recusant remainiacs. Their mouthpieces are the BBC, the Economist and the increasingly ludicrous Financial Times. But they have extensive influence propagated by Church of England vicars, luvvies, much of the teaching profession as well as trendy entrepreneurs and a throng of bearded American economists. And don’t forget most of the civil service, UNISON, the Scottish National Party, the “Real” IRA and the eggheads who run the Bank of England.

And how revealing that a cornered Owen Smith told Andrew Marr on 11 September[i] that, not only did he want to remain in the EU but he’d like us to join the Eurozone and the Schengen Area. (That’s another swath of Northern Labour strongholds lost to UKIP. Well done, Owen.) I must say I never thought I’d be rooting for Jezza…

fred will enjoy the excellent cartoon in this morning's telegraph
quite surprised he hasn't posted it up here yet

Dumbo.

A little Englander and it is "all mine" beliefs.

Fred your comment this morning actually made me laugh this time ,it didn't make sense ???
Drunk last night were we ?? at least read what everyone wrote (it's not just me who thinks your a Moron)

Also don't embarrass yourself by telling us you have inside information from the EU , you will calling yourself James Bond next.

And back to the little englander accusations....Where's the 'RACIST'..'BIGOTS'..
diatribes that usually go along with the little englander spiel spewed by the lefty
liberal 'FASCIST'....

GB.

It seems you have added the words which came to your mind.

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Dumbo,

No, I don't think I am James Bond, but have read a few of the newspapers produced for grown ups over the last 4years.

Also, take you dark glasses off when you view TV programs on the EU and immigration.

B

May help you when trying to form your own opinions.

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fred - why do you always feel it necessary to patronise or belittle those who don't agree with your point of view?

Fred is a living god!

Also, take you dark glasses off when you view TV programs on the EU and immigration.

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You complete muppet that's what most of the country voted out on , immigration !!

Manuel,

When I do so it is usually returning the compliments.

Besides some like you seem to becoming a little doddery and need all the help that can be given to them.
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Dumbo,

37.4% of the total electorate voted out in the referendum.

The rest voted to remain or didn't vote.

"37.4% of the total electorate voted out in the referendum."


I take the 52%, 17.4 million that DID vote to LEAVE as the official and
only one that mattered........

"There are two types of referendum that have been held by the UK Government, pre-legislative (held before proposed legislation is passed) and post-legislative (held after legislation is passed). To date the previous three UK-wide referendums in 1975, 2011 and 2016 were all post-legislative. Referendums are not legally binding, so legally the Government can ignore the results; for example, even if the result of a pre-legislative referendum were a majority of "No" for a proposed law, Parliament could pass it anyway, because parliament is sovereign.
For any UK-wide referendum to be held legislation has to be passed by the UK Parliament for each vote to take place as there is no pre-determined format or voting franchise for any such vote however unlike a general election is no legal requirement for HM Government to not take any official position in any such vote and in 1975 under the then Prime Minister Harold Wilson formally recommended a "yes" vote and in 2016 formally recommended a "remain" vote (a decision which later partly led to the resignation of David Cameron as Prime Minister following the decision to "Leave the European Union" by the British electorate) but in the 2011 no official position was taken as the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government was split on the issue.
Legally, Parliament at any point in future could reverse legislation approved by referendum, because the concept of parliamentary sovereignty means no Parliament can prevent a future Parliament from amending or repealing legislation. However, reversing legislation approved by referendum would be unprecedented."



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It seems some referendum results can be overruled, but not the one's you agree with.


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