Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

and your point is?????????????

i don't disagree that many or even most are probably paid far more than they should be for perhaps debatable input
However, as I wrote before, sacking every single one of them will not magically produce a larger pool of qualified nurses let alone doctors ....
yes, there may be some who might then be persuaded not to go to work overseas, but a significant and meaningful number? ..... i think not

Yeah go on cyners, kick his ass.

He as no idea about business being a former headmaster (good doer etc etc)

Weve been on the front line and know what it takes.

Top Man Management skills with each layer of management and admin knowing exactly what is THERE responsibility. The ability to delegate downwards and report upwards.

Its no good chucking money at headless chickens who may be good at there jobs but are totaly confused as to what their remit is after countless governments have poked there noses in and have continually moved the goal posts.

doctor d-in-law is sitting here and also my snooty (not really; promise!) golf club has a large pool of doctors and consultants of all ages, so for once, i have some idea what i'm talking about

the nhs (and education) problem is deep-seated and the roots go back decades .... if there was a simple and quick and effective solution, any of the previous gov'ts would have waved the magic wand

by the way, i certainly think nurses get a pretty raw deal
doctors also don't get paid quite the fortune perceived given the 10 year training period and tough conditions, especially in A&E which they have to endure during that time

Indeedy, I've witnessed some of your top man management skills on this thread, Fishfinger.

:o)

We keep getting told by 'Call Me Dave' we have more GPs more Nurses more ancillary staff, but without the captains of industry ie, the management and the management chain working in an effective way, increases in staff mean nothing.

Diminishing returns in fact.

Hey Hills apart from CARNEY not Carne its been spot on.

Stop being cheeky and p teasing.

Je ne comprends pas, mon petit.

DB4,

I will try again :

doodlebug4 - 30 Dec 2014 17:07 - 53930 of 53944

One of the major problems with the NHS is there are far too many chiefs and not enough Indians and it will not make much difference how much money is pumped in until that is stopped.


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"DB4,

But the tories are trying to stop immigration.

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The 8-) should have given it away.

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But I have a "feeling" that the Medics are playing a certain degree of games with this government.

I think they are pissed off by the incompetent management from government down and policies they have tried to implement over the last 20 years but especially in the last 5years.

The constant change and disruptions by "reorganisations" and "dictat" from ill-informed "management", also the strong suspicion that the tories really want to dismantle the NHS and hand it over to their pals.

(Mind there and many Medics who would wish to have a private health service as some think they would earn more. A few would, but the majority wouldn't.)

hilary Ohhh oui je parie que vous faites.

Hmmm. I can tell you're a cunning linguist.

hilary....Je parie que vous avez de belles cuisses.

Dont mean to be ignorant here but how can a chap who thinks FLYB was going to make a profit /report a good result have any idea about business management?, and the NHS is just that these days.

Et je pense que vous avez trouvé Google Translate.

Hilary is one of the few people on this thread who consistently talks any sense! Perhaps it's due to the clearer air on the ski slopes?

You will never sort out the nhs until you make people accountable.

No one, and I mean no one, is accountable for anything.

That's why you get best practice ignored, sky high temporary staff rates, dodgy clinical decisions, huge admin costs etc.

Because, at the end of the day, no one gives a fuck!

And gf is second to only Fred in talking shite!

Clearer air, Doods? It's been 3 weeks of sun and green grass, and 1 week of snow and whiteouts so far.

hilary....non pas du tout, je ai étudié allemand français et espagnol à l'école. Je dois dire Im me pitthing au bugdooddle être un plonker encore une fois sur le fil. Quel branleur il est.

Gf, I don't know what makes you buy shares, but I buy them to make money and FLYB has certainly done that for me. If you care to read back through that thread - which you and your mate cynic totally polluted with your silly nonsense - you will figure out perhaps if you had climbed on board when I first said it might be a good recovery play then you could have made a few bucks aswel (sic). Tough luck old bean!

Pity your English is so bad.

Max thats why I say they need better management and the government need to keep out of it.

Its like schools, far too much government busy bodies.