Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Where would you prefer your party leaders to come from then, Shortie?

The Holmfirth Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club?

Well if they did they might be more 'in touch' with the general public and not just the 'toffs pool'!!.

It is the same situation in every country. The best educated people form the pool from which senior politicians are drawn. Private schools and the best of the rest turn out very confident people. The same can be said for the best universities, but the real difference is in the school experience. Private schools have a much higher work load and expect much higher success. Where I live there is a comprehensive school which is in the list of the top ten comprehensive schools in the country. Even so its results pale by comparison to private schools. Also near us is Highgate public school. It results are in a different league despite having a similar catchment area. The differences in the education are many. Almost without exception the teaching staff are from Oxford or Cambridge. There is a homework load of several hours every evening; at least three hours from the age of eleven. The intensity of the education is completely different. A normal result would be 11 A* grades at IGCSE (much harder than GCSE) and frequently four or even five A* A levels.

Sounds like a perfect school to send some parents to.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

George Orwell - Animal Farm

Do you mean unable to distinguish between the pigs and the humans?

Seems familiar with some eating out of troughs with silver spoons!

Spoons eventually tarnish.

It is the same situation in every country, but its why a large majority of people don't believe in politicians and don't bother to vote... The three leaders of the main parties don't represent the working class although they claim too...

The trend is for people to not vote in most countries except where it is compulsory. All of our parties have the interests of the working class at heart. Their methods of improving people's live is different. The conservatives believe in the minimum of state interference and making business successful in order to provide employment and therefore wages. The taxes on these businesses pay for services and infrastructure. Labour are similar except their emphasis is different. Their ideology tries to limit what successful people can earn and wants to average out people in a way that is against reality and interfere constantly. The Libs are similar and just a different mix of the other two.

The dominant factor in modern times is always the management of the economy. Any party, whatever its style, will always have to provide an environment where business is successful. Parties are always going to be broadly similar. It is the details that make the difference.

NHS
well gobmeister finished the year in typical form

having ranted and raved incessantly about the demise and worse of NHS over the last 4+ years under the tories (and of course during their previous times in power) i asked him for his suggestion as to what should be done to rectify the matter

54038 was his response, but search as hard as i could, i could see not a single idea as to what action the mighty gobmeister would recommend

My first suggestion is to see the back of the present coalition and the demised of the neo-fascists presently in charge of the con party.
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Then if you look at the intent of what I pointed to previously, you may be able to see a reasonable approach to solving some of the present NHS.

The main need is modifying the structure and responsibility of management from the bottom up.

Trying to get a sense of individuals responsibility back.

The more important is the listening of those in Public Health, Medical and Surgical professions, Nursing and Social Services etc, and planning for "necessary" developments.

That is enough for a ignorant little toad like you to start thinking about.

You are too thick to consider sensibly the details of the above.

Ask you daughter-in-law or the nurse if you are admitted through A+E.

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come on gobmeister, you can do better than that ......
at the moment, all you come up with is a load of quasi-political sound bites, hot air and waffle plus the usual helping of personal abuse
how about some real ideas and suggestions and action about how you would get the NHS back to something we could all be proud of .... after all, you put yourself about as the ultimate font of all knowledge about almost everything

Fred, for God's sake some problems in this country are beyond party politics and the NHS is in a mess for various reasons, it doesn't matter which political party is in government.

DB - gobmeister surely has ALL the answers ..... he certainly isn't shy about telling us what a bunch of shysters and worse the tories are and how they have single-handedly wrecked NHS, along with a few other cherished institutions

Fred couldn't possibly come up with a solution to the problem no more than you could cynic. You need to have access to all the facts and figures to be able to do that. We all have our opinions based on the limited information we have, which is based on personal experience and what we read in the media. I agree that Fred reduces every argument to a slanging dissertation on the Conservatives.

The people who work in the nhs need to start taking responsibility for their actions/non actions.


That would be a start.

Manuel,

Sometimes, you make me wonder which is the biggest organ in your body, your mouth, your brain or your prostate.

Why not pop over to you doctors next week, if you can get an appointment and ask one of them, if they can arrange to have your prostate transplanted to you skull.

You probably wouldn't notice any difference, but it may improve you.

As said before, you are too set in your own conceit and opinions to consider other solutions other than your own.

I see no necessity for me to try to educate you.

Ps. If you are on speaking terms with you kids, ask them.

BugDoodle is a tosser with no idea cynic of how business runs.

Hed be better off attending his parent teachers group and keeping his gob shut.

You allignining yourself with him makes you look rather foolish.

I thought more of you.

Have you been on the new Year POP?.

MaxK - 31 Dec 2014 18:39 - 54077 of 54079

The people who work in the nhs need to start taking responsibility for their actions/non actions.


That would be a start................................ends


No what you mean Max is that the people who run the NHS ie the government should start taking the responsibility for their actions.

DID YOU KNOW that George Osbourne is sat on a £30 billion pound National Insurance BUDGET SURPLUS????????????????????????????? and all this while patients die in the corridor or in ambulances stacked up outside.

Why doesnt he spend it????.......I can tell you why because IDS is pillocking about with Universal Credit and he needs it to bail him out.

tut tut gobmeister ..... do you REALLY have no ideas? ..... in that case, you should stand for your local parish council (aiming higher would probably be too ambitious), as then you'll be able to rant and rave to your heart's content without the need to have any content in what you're ranting and raving about