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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil - 23 Sep 2016 09:14 - 5445 of 12628

Remainers still moaning and groaning on Question Time yesterday and now claiming they respect the wishes of the public but should be another referendum on the deal we negotiate to leave.

Not going to happen.

cynic - 23 Sep 2016 09:28 - 5446 of 12628

the peter lilley article is certainly very interesting, but it should not be forgotten that it comes from a very partisan angle
that by no means voids the points he is making, but nor should they be taken as being empirical ..... indeed, they are "best guess" albeit that pl is sincere

Fred1new - 23 Sep 2016 10:03 - 5447 of 12628

Dil,

Like the 1975 referendum?

-=-==

Manuel.

I like buying something when I don't know the price.

Good business sense.

I suppose it is alright when somebody else is going to pay the bill.

cynic - 23 Sep 2016 10:48 - 5448 of 12628

you didn't know the price had the referendum gone the other way ..... you just rather imagined you did :-)

2517GEORGE - 23 Sep 2016 11:19 - 5449 of 12628

3 months today, the sky hasn't fallen in yet, house prices haven't plummeted, interest rates haven't rocketed and unemployment hasn't shot up. There were so many 'experts' promising all the above, I wonder how they became 'experts', so many of them got it completely wrong some are even back-tracking now.
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cynic - 23 Sep 2016 11:26 - 5450 of 12628

imo we are still in for some very lumpy times over the next 2/3 years
world economics may dictate otherwise, but those sure need to improve significantly

VICTIM - 23 Sep 2016 11:33 - 5451 of 12628

They didn't get it wrong George , they deliberately misled . imo .

2517GEORGE - 23 Sep 2016 11:53 - 5452 of 12628

cynic you are right of course, I think most of us 'leavers' said as much at the time.

Vicky, misleading people so that's what they are expert at is it, well they were pretty rubbish at that as well.
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Fred1new - 23 Sep 2016 12:06 - 5453 of 12628

2517,

Over what period were the promises made for?

Also, was the devaluation of sterling a generous hand to bolster the UK economy and a show of confidence?

Just wondering!


(Not spelt with an "a".)

cynic - 23 Sep 2016 12:10 - 5454 of 12628

the market devalued £ and nothing else

personally, i have thought € over-valued for years and still very much think so
eurozone economies are in a truly awful state

2517GEORGE - 23 Sep 2016 12:29 - 5455 of 12628

Fred you are a typical disgruntled 'remainer', Carney said there would be a recession THIS year, Ossie was ready with his emergency budget and the OECD claimed unemployment would rise in JULY and that 'global turmoil' would result if we voted to leave.
So----- ''Over what period were the promises made for?'' the answer is immediately.
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Fred1new - 23 Sep 2016 13:44 - 5456 of 12628

Then they were wrong!

I will W/S.

I hope I am wrong.

cynic - 23 Sep 2016 13:48 - 5457 of 12628

there will be no way of truly knowing which was the better decision as so many imponderables

Dil - 23 Sep 2016 14:01 - 5458 of 12628

Fred , if in 40 years the EU has changed beyond all recognition from the absolute shambles it is today then I have no problem with holding another referundem.

Fred1new - 23 Sep 2016 14:16 - 5459 of 12628

Not one of "dem" again.

2517GEORGE - 23 Sep 2016 15:33 - 5460 of 12628

Well the next one is----- Prime Minister Viktor Orbán announced that the Hungarian government will hold a referendum on whether to accept the European Union's proposed mandatory quotas for relocating migrants. He also said it is "no secret that the Hungarian government refuses migrant quotas" and will be campaigning for "no" votes.
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MaxK - 23 Sep 2016 15:44 - 5461 of 12628

grannyboy - 23 Sep 2016 15:59 - 5462 of 12628

Good for Viktor Orban, pity the rest of the western governments don't
have the balls to defend the west cultures.

cynic - 23 Sep 2016 16:08 - 5463 of 12628

don't look too carefully at the complection of the hungarian gov't as it has a distinct whiff of nazism about it .... check out the long-running protest to the memorial in szabadsag square (budapest)

Fred1new - 26 Sep 2016 08:50 - 5464 of 12628

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