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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)
required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00
Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....
cynic
- 23 Sep 2016 09:28
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the peter lilley article is certainly very interesting, but it should not be forgotten that it comes from a very partisan angle
that by no means voids the points he is making, but nor should they be taken as being empirical ..... indeed, they are "best guess" albeit that pl is sincere
that by no means voids the points he is making, but nor should they be taken as being empirical ..... indeed, they are "best guess" albeit that pl is sincere
Fred1new
- 23 Sep 2016 10:03
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Dil,
Like the 1975 referendum?
-=-==
Manuel.
I like buying something when I don't know the price.
Good business sense.
I suppose it is alright when somebody else is going to pay the bill.
Like the 1975 referendum?
-=-==
Manuel.
I like buying something when I don't know the price.
Good business sense.
I suppose it is alright when somebody else is going to pay the bill.
cynic
- 23 Sep 2016 10:48
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you didn't know the price had the referendum gone the other way ..... you just rather imagined you did :-)
2517GEORGE
- 23 Sep 2016 11:19
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3 months today, the sky hasn't fallen in yet, house prices haven't plummeted, interest rates haven't rocketed and unemployment hasn't shot up. There were so many 'experts' promising all the above, I wonder how they became 'experts', so many of them got it completely wrong some are even back-tracking now.
2517
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cynic
- 23 Sep 2016 11:26
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imo we are still in for some very lumpy times over the next 2/3 years
world economics may dictate otherwise, but those sure need to improve significantly
world economics may dictate otherwise, but those sure need to improve significantly
VICTIM - 23 Sep 2016 11:33 - 5451 of 12628
They didn't get it wrong George , they deliberately misled . imo .
2517GEORGE
- 23 Sep 2016 11:53
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cynic you are right of course, I think most of us 'leavers' said as much at the time.
Vicky, misleading people so that's what they are expert at is it, well they were pretty rubbish at that as well.
2517
Vicky, misleading people so that's what they are expert at is it, well they were pretty rubbish at that as well.
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Fred1new
- 23 Sep 2016 12:06
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2517,
Over what period were the promises made for?
Also, was the devaluation of sterling a generous hand to bolster the UK economy and a show of confidence?
Just wondering!
(Not spelt with an "a".)
Over what period were the promises made for?
Also, was the devaluation of sterling a generous hand to bolster the UK economy and a show of confidence?
Just wondering!
(Not spelt with an "a".)
cynic
- 23 Sep 2016 12:10
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the market devalued £ and nothing else
personally, i have thought € over-valued for years and still very much think so
eurozone economies are in a truly awful state
personally, i have thought € over-valued for years and still very much think so
eurozone economies are in a truly awful state
2517GEORGE
- 23 Sep 2016 12:29
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Fred you are a typical disgruntled 'remainer', Carney said there would be a recession THIS year, Ossie was ready with his emergency budget and the OECD claimed unemployment would rise in JULY and that 'global turmoil' would result if we voted to leave.
So----- ''Over what period were the promises made for?'' the answer is immediately.
2517
So----- ''Over what period were the promises made for?'' the answer is immediately.
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Fred1new
- 23 Sep 2016 13:44
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Then they were wrong!
I will W/S.
I hope I am wrong.
I will W/S.
I hope I am wrong.
cynic
- 23 Sep 2016 13:48
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there will be no way of truly knowing which was the better decision as so many imponderables
Dil
- 23 Sep 2016 14:01
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Fred , if in 40 years the EU has changed beyond all recognition from the absolute shambles it is today then I have no problem with holding another referundem.
Fred1new
- 23 Sep 2016 14:16
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Not one of "dem" again.
2517GEORGE
- 23 Sep 2016 15:33
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Well the next one is----- Prime Minister Viktor Orbán announced that the Hungarian government will hold a referendum on whether to accept the European Union's proposed mandatory quotas for relocating migrants. He also said it is "no secret that the Hungarian government refuses migrant quotas" and will be campaigning for "no" votes.
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MaxK - 23 Sep 2016 15:44 - 5461 of 12628
grannyboy
- 23 Sep 2016 15:59
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Good for Viktor Orban, pity the rest of the western governments don't
have the balls to defend the west cultures.
have the balls to defend the west cultures.
cynic
- 23 Sep 2016 16:08
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don't look too carefully at the complection of the hungarian gov't as it has a distinct whiff of nazism about it .... check out the long-running protest to the memorial in szabadsag square (budapest)
Fred1new
- 26 Sep 2016 08:50
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mentor - 26 Sep 2016 10:53 - 5465 of 12628
Will this time be true and a well done job? ...........
Hollande confirms Calais migrant camp shutdown, urges UK help
CALAIS, France, Sept 26 (Reuters) - President Francois Hollande said on Monday that France will completely shut down "the Jungle" migrant camp in Calais and called on London to help deal with the plight of thousands of people whose dream is ultimately to get to Britain.
"The situation is unacceptable and everyone here knows it," Hollande said on a visit to the northern port city where as many as 10,000 migrants from war-torn countries such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan live in squalour.
"We must dismantle the camp completely and definitively," he said.
France plans to relocate the migrants in small groups around the country but right-wing opponents of the Socialist leader are raising the heat ahead of the election in April, accusing him of mismanaging a problem that is ultimately a British one.
The migrants want to enter Britain, but the government in London argues that migrants seeking asylum need to do so under European Union law in the country where they enter.
Immigration was one of the main drivers of Britain's vote this year to leave the EU. It is also likely to be major factor in France's presidential election.
If France stopped trying to prevent migrants from entering Britain, Britain would ultimately find tself obliged to deal with the matter when asylum-seekers land on its shores a short distance by ferry or subsea train from France's Calais coast.
Hollande bluntly reminded Britain of that, saying that he expected London to fully honour agreements on managing a flow of migrants.
"I also want to restate my determination that the British authorities play their part in the humanitarian effort that France is undertaking and that they continue to do that in the future," Hollande said.
London and Paris have struck agreements on issues such as the recently begun construction of a giant wall on the approach road to Calais port in an attempt to try to stop migrants who attempt daily to board cargo trucks bound for Britain.
Hollande confirms Calais migrant camp shutdown, urges UK help
CALAIS, France, Sept 26 (Reuters) - President Francois Hollande said on Monday that France will completely shut down "the Jungle" migrant camp in Calais and called on London to help deal with the plight of thousands of people whose dream is ultimately to get to Britain.
"The situation is unacceptable and everyone here knows it," Hollande said on a visit to the northern port city where as many as 10,000 migrants from war-torn countries such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan live in squalour.
"We must dismantle the camp completely and definitively," he said.
France plans to relocate the migrants in small groups around the country but right-wing opponents of the Socialist leader are raising the heat ahead of the election in April, accusing him of mismanaging a problem that is ultimately a British one.
The migrants want to enter Britain, but the government in London argues that migrants seeking asylum need to do so under European Union law in the country where they enter.
Immigration was one of the main drivers of Britain's vote this year to leave the EU. It is also likely to be major factor in France's presidential election.
If France stopped trying to prevent migrants from entering Britain, Britain would ultimately find tself obliged to deal with the matter when asylum-seekers land on its shores a short distance by ferry or subsea train from France's Calais coast.
Hollande bluntly reminded Britain of that, saying that he expected London to fully honour agreements on managing a flow of migrants.
"I also want to restate my determination that the British authorities play their part in the humanitarian effort that France is undertaking and that they continue to do that in the future," Hollande said.
London and Paris have struck agreements on issues such as the recently begun construction of a giant wall on the approach road to Calais port in an attempt to try to stop migrants who attempt daily to board cargo trucks bound for Britain.
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