Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Here's a Richard Dawkin YouTube clip to help balance the books:

What is the difference,( other than the severity), of the attacks in France and the withdrawl of the contract for the rapist footballer. The board of Oldham FC are quoted as saying the pressure from sponsors, and death threats against staff have been made so they have withdrawn contract which was expected today or tomorrow.

I have no views re the footballer being given a contract but bending under threats will lead to more threats and more governing by fear

It's an interesting debate concerning the rapist footballer.

He was found guilty and served his sentence.

Now he is back in circulation but insists he was actually innocent as he now communicates to the world at large.

Certain members of the public, particularly female ones, can't seem to accept his lack of remorse.

IMHO, this lack of remorse sensibly and automatically goes with his own denial of his guilt (despite his sentencing).

These certain members of the public seem to feel the lack of remorse is of utterly vital importance for his total acceptance back into society. Consequently, they will not let the matter go.

Other people are joining in negatively towards him on the band wagon of it all. They include football sponsors, team mates, player's WAGs, etc, etc.

The only way this guy is going to beat the potential bigotry off it all, is to go to appeal - AND WIN.

The longer this takes, the highly emotive subject matter of 'Rape is Wrong' is going to win the day and lose him support.

He may never win. If he actually is truly innocent, then he has my sympathy. But how would I know I am right in the giving of it? I won't.

He was found guilty. I guess he has to suffer the consequences or fight the battle.

Football also has commercial considerations to make. Simply put, 'this guy has too much baggage'. It is surely not a good idea to take him onto the books.

stable - is your info actually correct - ie fully up to date? ..... i was certainly under the impression that oldham were proceeding having been assured that their main sponsor would stand by them

whether or not the guy should be taken on by oldham at all is a different argument


EL - it is exactly this lack or remorse that sticks in the throat ..... he's welcome to maintain his innocence (whether true or not), but at the very least he should be apologising for what was at best a "misunderstanding of wish"

His conviction is currently under investigation and yes he is appealing.

He has served his time and people are punishing him further by denying him the chance to earn his living. Even if he is guilty there is no obligation to show remorse.

This is all about pressure from a politically correct aggressive minority. They should be ignored and football clubs be allowed to make their choices without interference.

while there is no obligation to show remorse, oldham's fans equally have no obligation to accept him back ..... as the club is ultimately reliant on its fans, then it would do well to pay attention if the objection is widely enough voiced

Oldham have now decided not sign Evans. His old club, Sheffield, bowed to fans and threats. Oldham have now bowed to threats. It is a trend in these times. A vociferous minority often has a greater sway than the silent majority. It occurs in many areas such as religion, politics, demonstrations. It gives these minority views a value beyond their worth.

bowed to threats or bowed to loudly and strongly voiced objections from their fans albeit that some were pretty disgraceful in their content?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/heartbreaking-cartoons-from-artists-in-response-to-the-ch?s=mobile

cynic, your comments suggest that by not using guns, their objections, however bad, and what can be worse than death threats, are acceptable.

I feel that Evans should have stayed away until his appeal has been heard, but I still support, without agreeing, with those that wish to employ him as I do not think we can live by giving in to threats of any kind

i didn't write that, or at best you have misinterpreted .... please read both 54582 and 54584 again ..... in a nutshell, the club needs to pay attention to its fans, for no fans = no club

It is a question of how many fans and do they represent the rest. It seems that people and businesses give in if you shout loud enough even if you are a tiny minority.

i do not know the full facts as i suspect is the case with you

the muslim religion is non religion as moh was a living man who died age 63
and was not a god . or that clever just cleverer than the others .
religion should be wiped out its for the year 2000 when they new no better god does not exist its a fairy tale .

Jessica ennis speaks out about a footballer yet she says fcuk all about the druggies in her sport . she says nothing chambers was a druggie yet she allowed him to take part . she only speaks out for her own ends not for the sport .

Jessica ennis must think druggies in her sport is ok that is why I have closed my account with her name

druggies kill my children than any accused rape yet our tv is full of athletes on drugs
and thos speaking out are silent once a druggie always a druggie

so if you are honest speak out

With all form of communication available today, with often no way of being able to prove who is making these threats, Oldham fans could be anyone anywhere calling themselves fans, it is very difficult to make judgement.
I do remember the old addage, empty vessells make most noise.
Over the many years it has so often to be true.

I was around in the 60s with all the girls taking off their knickers asking to be ......
yes fact I went to a lot of gigs and have hundreds of girls taking off their clothes in front of the singers some I still know and they know I no and pretend not to see me and avoid the high street

stable I have seen a lot in my life scrubbers ever were for a free ride and a few drinks .to ladies I know very well married with children and would think butter would not melt in their mouth , should I speak out in the village and tell all

back to paris the French must act and deport any one connected to the scum
the uk must not allow any one returning from Syria they are terrorists and treated as such shoot them on site is my view