Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It is an interesting read Fred.

Shame it's so one sided, and assumes that various countries inside the €U are willing to commit economic suicide by excluding blighty flat out.

The trade split as I have read is about 60/40 in the €urozones favour.

For example:

Blighty is the german car manufacturers biggest export destination.

We buy more French wine than any other country.


That's just two examples..but it boils down to cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Do you really think they will do that...really?

French wine will be too expensive for you.

Try Central Valley Chilean.

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I doubt that once the real chaos of Brexit starts that the UK will be the flavour of the month, except for turning London into a weekend trip venue for the French and Germans.

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(Forgot about visas.)

The unions on it's way out anyway .

there's loads of rubbish being spouted everywhere including here
95% of what you read on brexit will be for domestic consumption
the actuality will not be apparent for a great many more months - eg about 2 years

Article in Moneyweek suggesting Merkel may soon want to control her borders.
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Manuel,

I have a spare cork for you to use.

i use a vacuvin which keeps the wine fine ......

personally, i find that the quality of chilean wines has fallen away in recent years as more and more vines are planted and higher yields encouraged

some of the argentinian whites are very good and also (so i am told) their reds
recently came across a uruguayan red which was suprisingly good

I last supped some Aldi's 'Exquisite Collection' Valpollicella (14%).

'Twas truly excellent.

T.May is making ALL the right noises, The Eu will have to realize that there
cannot be free movement, and it should be made a red line, and made now
so it has plenty of time for it to sink in to the gangsters in Brussels and the
remainer dreamers in the UK...

the idea of "licenced immigration" so that specific skill shortages can be met is eminently sensible

Sensible and €U is an oxywhatsit.

Years ago we had a system called work permits

Sums it up!

Theresa May vows to protect troops from 'legal witch hunt' by opting out of European human rights rules



By Peter Dominiczak, Political Editor and
Robert Mendick, Chief Reporter
4 October 2016 • 8:47am




British soldiers will never again face a legal witch hunt, Theresa May will pledge as she says that European human rights laws will no longer apply on the battlefield.

In a joint announcement with Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, the Prime Minister will say that UK troops will be protected from the “industry of vexatious claims that has pursued those who served in previous conflicts”.

Mrs May and Sir Michael will say that in future conflicts Britain will opt out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), protecting our frontline forces from “spurious” legal claims.

Their intervention is a major victory for soldiers, MPs and senior military figures who have fought against the hounding of troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan over allegations that date back as long ago as 2003.

The Telegraph has repeatedly highlighted the plight of British troops facing criminal and civil allegations of abuse in the aftermath of Iraq and Afghanistan.




more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/03/theresa-may-vows-to-protect-troops-from-legal-witch-hunt-by-opti/

I'm beginning to like her ,she's saying all the right things ,lets hope she's for real .

Choice has been made Fred and as grannyboy says it gives the EU a chance to come to terms with the fact that there will be no negotiations over freedom of movement. EU now need to come up with a plan re trade and we'll get back to them on it.

Our stance is likely to find a lot of support among many voters in France and Germany which will work in our favour.

End of the day if we end up being treated like the rest of the world by the EU then so be it.

No point telling Fred that ,he's the same as Corbyn , it's what they want not what the people want.

Not a bad start!


* Hunt: 1,500 new British doctors per year

* Fallon: British troops to be protected from war crimes claims

* Rudd: New plans to deport EU criminals

* Truss: Recruitment drive to tackle prison violence and drugs



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/04/jeremy-hunt-nhs-doctors-theresa-may-conservative-conference-live/

Fred will be having conniptions ... :-)

Nothing will be what Fred wants .