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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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Saturn6 - 01 Aug 2013 10:06 - 551 of 1034

Miners - May have completed Wave-4 and Wave-5 should take us to the 30 area resistance...

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gazkaz - 01 Aug 2013 10:48 - 552 of 1034

A point - made in the closing incidental remarks at the end of the above interview
- Willie points out on - silver
- if you add up all the US & Canadian mint coin production
- it "exceeds" - the total US & Canadian silver mined - by 25 million oz
(I read recently the figures they produce is just - bullion coins - it doesn't include - all the silver proof & sets & commemorative issues)
- so there is a shortfall - before ...all the US & Canadian industrial demand

Then (deserves a drum roll imo)
- the Doc mentions - they sell "generic private mint - silver - rounds e.g buffalo rounds etc"
- on a ratio of 3 : 1 compared to... silver eagles

- so if you took an educated guess - at what volume of silver....all - the private mints ....are producing
- and add it... - to the above existing 25m oz mined/official coin....shortfall
- Gets interesting doesn't it !!

Add in - the switch in demand towards silver - generated by India's gold import restrictions
- and now (as Snurkle highlighted) - Pakistans "temporary" Gold import block - may also - boost silver investment demand
- and couple that with JPM - being well overdue with its June silver comex deliveries
- and buying 90% of comex silver buy...contracts
- it gets more interesting !!

As Snurkle and I have discussed before - the official annual precious metals book (i forget its name) - always shows silver supply and demand "uncannily in perfect balance...every year
(basically because they know production, and, they know industrial demand...so in effect they just - put - investment demand in....as a balancing figure)
- so unlike gold
- in silver - there is no - equivalent of the former "London Gold Pool" or now seemingly...B of E custody leasable gold pool :o)

LBMA - silver is fractionalised at least 100 : 1 (so no real silver there either)

That just leaves..... comex silver supplies
( Big fine for JPM charging storage & insurance on silver....they hadn't even purchased for customers.....perhaps gives an indication
- of the likelihood of any real metal being there)

And it leaves - ETF...SLV as the only other sizeable....reserve of real metal
(I give credit to Sprotts silver actually being there....but not ...in play in the game)

Generally most commentators consider SLV physical - long gone.

So as we have discussed - it's looking more and more like - silver
- is the real achilles heel

Silver has a zillion uses already
- they have just discovered silver boosts antibiotic performace considerably
(if they missed out the antibiotics and just used the silver - then imo it would far exceed antibiotic performance :)

- and as posted recently the expected move to more solar power will only increase further...silver demand
- yet...the US Geological Society - put out a report a few years back that...
- they expected silver deposits were forecast to be exausted
- by the early 2020's

In concluding M'Lud
- I will express a purely circumstantial point of conjecture - re the potential of silver also being
- the achillies heel
- that is.... the cabal owned MSM distraction
- Precious metals - no, no don't look at silver.....look here Gold Headline, Gold Interview, Gold Article...gold, gold, gold....


Well that's all with regard to me connecting some - diverse and disparate dots fwiw

gazkaz - 01 Aug 2013 10:59 - 553 of 1034

Snurkle
- tower busters and orgone are all based on ....William Reichs cloudbuster
- it worked
- well worth reading up - on his work & cloudbuster.

Incidentally - the great pyramid - is predominantly granite....lots of...crystaline silicon - also lots of evidence - underground water beneath it ...and erosion of the sphinx...water surrounding it.

In particular connect that to Reich's cloudbuster....... & the tower buster ingredients :o)


There is a measureable confirmed significant "energy" that emanates from the top of the Giza Pyramid
- and Dr Osma whatsit
- has conirmed the same - at his Bosnian pyramid

In addition I think it was Reich
(Although its from memory so - could have been Royal Rife - the latter having truly fantastic suppressed frequency medical cure-all technology)
- who had a cabinet (based on the orgone capicitor) that I recollect had....shall we say.....appreciable medical benefits :o)

If your "receptive group" ever build one

- book me in for a weekly please.

Saturn6 - 01 Aug 2013 14:54 - 555 of 1034

Snurkle - Seems unavailable on E-Bay...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4kg-Orgone-Energy-Accumulator-Chembuster-Cloudbuster-/260897369077?

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snurkle1 - 01 Aug 2013 15:06 - 556 of 1034

I should have known, you're fully up to speed on that one Saturn :-)

Once I have caught up a bit with the boys, I will let you know what the score is as right now I'm only just starting to believe they weren't playing a joke on me when I got back from holiday. Boxes of resin, chrystals, metal, copper etc shavings appeared this morning in the office by delivery, so that was the moment when I had to believe what they were up to.

No doubt this story has a next episode

Saturn6 - 01 Aug 2013 15:18 - 557 of 1034

Snurkle - No!...Its the first I have heard of it from you.

Have you ever tried to get a response from anyone after telling them of chemtrails? I remember years ago folks telling me the yellow dust on their cars was sand-dust from the sahara. ;-o

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Saturn6 - 01 Aug 2013 15:23 - 558 of 1034

$Silver busted through the green average only to be repelled at the blue one...

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But it remains within the bounds of the 'Triangle' so lets see.

Meanwhile GDX is rangebound after being repelled at the top resistance line...

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Saturn6 - 01 Aug 2013 15:45 - 559 of 1034

Eerie or just plain coincidence,ssss?...

63kd.jpghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfF1lt8qAhk

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robertalexander - 01 Aug 2013 17:44 - 560 of 1034

all,

thanks for all of your ideas/pointers etc. i have taken the plunge today and bought into physical silver [PHSP] at 1262p. it was a little more than i wanted to pay but i was flying at the time the market opened, but i am in for the ride and here's to hoping it is upwards mostly.

Alex

robertalexander - 01 Aug 2013 17:45 - 561 of 1034

all,

thanks for all of your ideas/pointers etc. i have taken the plunge today and bought into physical silver [PHSP] at 1262p. it was a little more than i wanted to pay but i was flying at the time the market opened, but i am in for the ride and here's to hoping it is upwards mostly.

Alex

Saturn6 - 01 Aug 2013 18:46 - 562 of 1034

What do you see?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMM8s8WRqMU

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snurkle1 - 01 Aug 2013 21:06 - 563 of 1034

Sorry Saturn, can't watch stuff at home due to severe lack of broadband speed. Too far away from the exchange. It will have to wait tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

On another note, this is Bill Holter's latest and boy oh boy we seem to have reached another chapter of the story. It's a great read

http://blog.milesfranklin.com/tick-tock-they-pulled-the-pin

gazkaz - 02 Aug 2013 00:25 - 564 of 1034

Snurkle
(Blaming Sahara for my info re orgone - lol)

Anyway moving along - whoever in the team is the leading proponent into orgone/towerbusters etc
- may like to read this re the grandaddy of orgone

Cloudbusters are the orgone concept - to which tower/chem - busters have evolved

NB - make sure - they scroll on past - all the refs/books details early on, in the article

http://www.rexresearch.com/orgone/orgone1.htm

The alleged leading light in the orgone field & tower busters etc - is generally given as
- Don Croft

(just in case they want to have a look at his work - and spin off from there)

Let me know how they get on.

gazkaz - 02 Aug 2013 01:26 - 565 of 1034

Sahara
(re what do you see)
-I think in paraphrase from the p/cols "for every article (or youT nowadays) they produce - we will produce a 100"
- is what springs to mind...& we can be sure there are at least another 99 around :o)

Living in the pennines - on the heavy spraying days - you can literally watch them laying down the trails - and then watch them open up over hours to blanket the sky milky white
- and there's always ---a plane at the front.

Can't find the original full length interview - but a short 6min clip from it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6P_-Czr-E&feature=player_embedded

snurkle1 - 02 Aug 2013 06:11 - 566 of 1034

Thanks guys for the links and info.


I hope you've all read the Bill Holter article I posted last night as that one sort of kept zooming in and out of my head most of the night.

This is a major break down in the physical metal markets and I quote

So I asked, "How can you still do business without hedging?" to which I found out that so far this week almost ALL of the hedging has been done through Europe, particularly for silver. There is liquidity...just not any coming from the US. He also told me that between 2:00PM and 5:00PM this week he was not able to do any silver hedging at all because there was nowhere to hedge as Europe is sleeping.

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This is the first time I have heard of the fact that the big banks are stepping out of the business as aggregators with ECP's (eligible contract participants).

Surely this is massive news as if the music stops in Europe, or even a lot less music being played, the consequences are huge, massive, enormous, gigantic for the physical markets.

If this is indeed true, it really is time for me to take most of my chips off the table, cash in and sit on it for a bit and see what happens. I'd rather not make any dosh for a couple of years than lose everything.
Of late we see more and more articles, interviews, video's and TV programs with more and more different exposures of stress in the PM markets, that I see this one as one of the biggest alarm bells to date.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

Saturn6 - 02 Aug 2013 09:28 - 567 of 1034

Snurkle - Wouldn't this type of hedging (insurance) only be used if the price dropped significantly between the 2-4 day delivery period? I cant see that anyone would be unahppy if the price exploded higher than what they paid? It may more importantly give rise to the thought that the derivitives market is currently under stress, and may be about to undergo a seismic re-adjustment.

Gaz - Great link thanks and as I listened quickly before the working day to other explanations from Griffith I was left unsure as to the exact intent of his statement. Is it that the US is being attacked by Russia with weather changing weapons to create Hurricanes and such?.

It started as an innocous programme 'VTRPE' (Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation) model. A 3D imaging programme that ties into sattelite and ground radar for warships and battlefields. The barium salts and darpa aerosols were originally used for the 3D imaging over land. But Other agencies became involved and the programme evolved into something more sinister...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQl0lryUPqw

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Saturn6 - 02 Aug 2013 09:38 - 568 of 1034

Miners clinging to the lateral line, it may be that Wave-4 needed that new low to complete a more complex corrective pattern?...

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If not I will have to hedge my longs.

$Silver is poised above the dotted line still being pressed by the green average still...
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snurkle1 - 02 Aug 2013 10:00 - 569 of 1034

Saturn, I take from the article that the hedge is against the price rocketing up and them having to sell it at a loss as the price they pay to buy is higher than the contract with the original customer.

Am I reading this right?

Saturn6 - 02 Aug 2013 10:19 - 570 of 1034

Not sure that would be the case.

If I were a coin dealer and someone put in a large order I would ensure the price I quoted them was a premium above what I could get it for from my supplier for. The supplier would have insured he gave me the price he could get it from his dealer for and the dealer woud have given the price to the supplier that he was satisfied with. If all the transactions were effected instantaneously there wouldn't be an issue. As I assume the prices were agreed at the time of order and not on the delivery date?/

If the Main dealer had given a price to the supplier before he had made a claim or acquired the metal then yes he would need to insure that he could obtain it for the price stated. But a not sure if this is the norm? Unless there was a shortage of 'supply' where you had to wait several days for the metal to become available?

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