Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haze.

Re: Miliband 2008 and possible economic crash.

From my notes, many thought that the economy was over heating as far back 2004-6 onward and were pointing to the inflation in housing and general borrowing etc..

The tories were preaching further deregulation of the City and Financial Services, who were pushing out money, derivatives and gambling like a casino.

(Look back at some threads on Moneyam and some were thinking of moving out of "property".)

The problem with "democracy" as "practiced" is when it should go against general public "general" opinion, the government "ducks" its responsibility, as can be seen by the coalition and especially this tory element which is attempting to be a "populist" party, but has twisted and turned so much, the voters don't know what it really stands for.

Napoleon,

Is this more to your liking,

i know you have a fixation for attaching great numbers of cartoons every day, but .....

so what point are you trying to make this time?
are you trying to imply that this all the west's fault or some similar twaddle?

No,

Just trying to get you to think, rather than just respond!

Alf, you have demonstrated on a daily basis that you have no ears, but now your eyes don't seem to clever either... and as for your brain who knows.

When's your next Mot at the Docs due? -):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11353271/Balls-and-Miliband-knew-about-the-2008-crash-but-failed-to-act-new-book-claims.html

Balls and Miliband knew about the 2008 crash but failed to act, new book claims
The Labour leader and shadow chancellor deny claims they wanted to hold an early election in 2007 because they knew the economy was about to collapse

Ed Miliband and Ed Balls have flatly denied claims they wanted to hold an early general election in 2007 because they knew the economy was about to "fall off a cliff".

The allegation is made in a new book by former mayor of Doncaster Martin Winter, who helped the Labour leader secure his Commons seat.

Mr Winter left the Labour Party in 2008 following internal arguments over whether he could stand for a third term.

According to extracts in the Mail on Sunday, Mr Miliband is said to have confided in Mr Winter and his partner Carolyne Hunter two weeks after Gordon Brown abandoned plans for a snap poll.

He reportedly told them: "Ed Balls was desperate for us to go now ... The simple fact is the economy is going to fall off a cliff and this was our best chance of winning.

the next two or three years and we'll get the blame for it; so it was either going now and risk losing or wait and know that we're going to lose."

Mr Brown ruled out an election in October 2007. The scale of the economic crisis engulfing Britain became clear the following year.

A spokesman for Mr Miliband dismissed the claim. "This report is untrue," he said.

"It is tittle-tattle, a third-hand report of a conversation more than seven years ago. Complete nonsense.

"No-one had any sense of the scale of the global banking crisis which emerged in 2008."

A spokesman for Mr Balls said: "Everyone knows Ed Balls wanted an early Election in 2007, but the economy was nothing to do with it."

But Chancellor George Osborne told the newspaper: "The political cynicism and opportunism of Ed Balls and Ed Miliband has been exposed.

"This first-hand account shows Balls and Miliband were more interested in saving their own skins than saving the British economy.'

The book also describes a nine-and-a-half-week period when Mr Miliband stayed with the couple and their children while trying to become the Labour candidate for Doncaster in 2005.

Mr Winter, who said he is speaking out because he has lost faith in Mr Miliband, said he was "patronising" to the children, accidentally set fire to an office, and locked himself in a house by mistake.

Giving his assessment of the Labour leader - who was an aide to Mr Brown at the time - Mr Winter said: "He is arrogant, untrustworthy and procrastinates over everything.

"He is ignorant of the real values of ordinary working-class voters and holds his nose at their lifestyle."

Much the same as the other two.


"He is ignorant of the real values of ordinary working-class voters and holds his nose at their lifestyle."

Max interesting that map of Britain.

From that it looks like a lab/libdem coalition.

The SNP with the Tories wouldnt be enough not that the SNP would touch the Tories.

That wouldnt be too bad as the Lib/dems have more in common with labour than with the Tories.

Hays on his soap box today, the writing is on the wall Tory Boy.

Milly is far craftier than you thought.

Building up to his peak going up to the GE........camoron peaked far too early........6 months ago.

Opinium in the Observer have topline figures of CON 28%(-2), LAB 33%(nc), LDEM 7%(-1), UKIP 20%(+3), GRN 6%(+2) – a return to decent Labour lead after their poll a fortnight ago had shown things tightening up.

ComRes’s monthly online poll for the Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror has no such movement, with the race remaining very tight. Their topline voting intentions show virtually no change from last month’s, with topline figures of CON 33%(nc), LAB 34%(nc), LDEM 7%(-1), UKIP 18%(nc), GRN 3%(+1)

YouGov in the Sunday Times also show a one point Labour lead with topline figures of CON 31%, LAB 32%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 7%. There is a second (and completely separate) YouGov poll in the Sun on Sunday but with fairly similar topline figures, CON 31% and LAB 33%.

And another one.........

Labour lead at 1

Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 16th January - Con 31%, Lab 32%, LD 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 7%;

The only thing that can save the Tories is a tax give away in the budget, no doubt giddeon is going to do this but it will be uncosted and with £7 billion already uncosted I cant see the working class falling for it.

If the great unwashed will swallow millibands bullshit, I've no doubt they will also swallow cameroons.

I have a "feeling" that the "general" public are fed up with the constant smearing of Ed Miliband and Ed Balls and both are keeping their powders dry until nearer the election.

And, for the time being, will happily accept the taunts of the Cameron and Osborne which appear to be backfiring onto themselves.

The tory blame game is looking more and more feeble after five years of misgovernment.

They are lucky for the time being that the "Oil prices" have taken a dive, and that the effect spreads across to the "cost of living" for the time being. But the effect on GDP in 3 months time is guess work, especially when the effects are felt in Europe with possible slow down of their economies


Also, have a "feeling" that they think Cameron is false and Osborne and he are brazen liars, reminding them of second hand car dealers of old. Their employment figures do not add up with productivity.

They know the figures presented by the present governments spokesmen don't add up and when they present them "glibly" can be seen lying through their teeth.

The country itself has moved on, but the tories have not and many wish to return to the "political ideological morality" of the 1930s.

Personally, I think Ed Miliband will be the leader of the next coalition with Labour, Lib/Dem, SNP and the tories have an internecine breakup.

It seems to me, that Farage although effecting the results because of desertions of tories to the UKIP may end up with 5-10 MPS, but I doubt that any other party would be prepared to dirty their hands with his type of "political ideology."

Farage, if he himself is elected, I doubt will be a peripheral irritant only.
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Max,

What exactly do you think Farage is offering you other than a pint, a fag and a laugh?

Just out of interest, who are his "financial backers"?

I have a feeling that Fred is talking a load of utter bollocks as usual.:-)

Wait and see!

fred is an inveterate pedagogue who only lectures and occasionally hectors his audience ... as you may have noticed, he never ever answers a question, and if the question posed is too pointed, he'll immediately sidetrack

Manuel,

You are projecting again.

Look in the mirror.

Are you feeling persecuted, as well.

not at all, but i do find your perpetual preaching very tiresome and repetitive though i happily avoid most of it

it is also pretty dull that you never ever answer a question, but then i suppose that is your democratic right, as is not voting

Stan - 18 Jan 2015 11:08 - 55181 of 55195

Alf, you have demonstrated on a daily basis that you have no ears, but now your eyes don't seem to clever either... and as for your brain who knows.

When's your next Mot at the Docs due? -):