Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-expropriates-palestinian-land-in-order-to-legalize-west-bank-settlement-1.372023

Israel expropriates Palestinian land in order to legalize West Bank settlement

Move is Netanyahu government's first confiscation of land in the territories.

For the first time in three years, the state has confiscated uncultivated land in the West Bank. The land will be used to legalize a nearby settlement outpost.

Last week, acting on orders from the government, the Civil Administration declared 189 dunams of land belonging to the Palestinian village of Karyut to be state land, so as to retroactively legalize houses and a road in the Hayovel neighborhood of the settlement of Eli. This would seem to violate Israel's long-standing commitment to the United States not to expropriate Palestinian lands for settlement expansion.

Palestinian civil society calls for comprehensive military embargo on Israel
http://www.bdsmovement.net/activecamps/military-embargo

Retrospective law usually stinks. So does this Israeli administration.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/turkey-pm-israel-must-still-apologize-for-last-year-s-gaza-flotilla-raid-1.372198

Turkey PM: Israel must still apologize for last year's Gaza flotilla raid

Erdogan says that if Israel wants to normalize ties with Turkey it must also pay compensation to victims of the flotilla raid and lift its blockade of Gaza.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that it was "unthinkable" to normalize ties with Israel unless Israel apologized for the killing of nine pro-Palestinian Turkish activists aboard the Mavi Marmara ship bound for the Gaza Strip last year.

Erdogan also said that two other conditions for the normilization of ties were Israel lifting its blockade of Gaza and Israel paying compensation to the victims of the flotilla raid.

Erdogan's statements came during a speech to the Turkish parliament unveiling his new government's program.

"Normalization of relations between the two countries is unthinkable unless Israel apologizes for this illegal act which is against all international law and values, pays compensation to the relatives of those who lost their lives in this atrocious event and lifts the embargo on Gaza," Erdogan said, to the applause of his AK Party lawmakers.

this thread should be called

life of hatred

Yes. Your posts do slant it that way!

post5523 this poster is sick and should seek help .

By this poster, I guess you mean yourself.

Normally, I feel sympathetic to individuals who are "sick", in the case of Tanker, I would find it difficult. But, probably, I would have sympathy for his family if any recognise him.

May be of interest to any in the area.

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PALESTINE
AND THE
ARAB SPRING

Saturday 16 July 2011 at St Johns Church, Mostyn Street, Llandudno 12.00 4.00pm.

A half-day event jointly organised by Amnesty International UK Colwyn Bay Group and Conwy County Peace Group

The face of the political map in North Africa and the Middle East has changed markedly in recent months as popular uprisings have emerged in several countries. In some, like Tunisia and Egypt, leaders of old regimes have ceded power but in others they are clinging on to power, often using extreme brutality to suppress their own people.
The ripples have spread far and wide and have influenced some changes in Palestine too. Hamas and Fattah have recently agreed to work together and put aside their long-standing differences. This new coming together was aided by the new Egyptian regime.
How will Israel and the international community respond to this landmark development?
What other spin-offs may there be from the tumultuous changes in the region?
Are we moving towards a just and fair peace in Palestine and Israel?
To discuss these and other questions, join us!

Prof Suzannah Linton Professor of International Law at Bangor University, who has vast experience in the field of Human Rights and International Justice. She has previously worked for the UN and other international organisations. She will chair the afternoon discussion forum.

Peter Reilly - who was born in Palestine under the British mandate and is a recently retired school head teacher specialising in Economics and International Politics. He speaks regularly at conferences as an advocate for peace in the Middle East. He will speak about the history of and current political situation in Palestine/Israel and the prospects for peace in the light of the Arab Spring. Third presentation.

Hilary Browne - has recently returned from a three month stay in Palestine where she represented the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme for Palestine and Israel. She will speak about conditions on the ground in the area and everyday conflict and resolutions as she experienced them. First presentation.
Shimri Zameret - is an Israeli citizen who refused the draft, and was consequently imprisoned for 2 years. Following release he worked as co-ordinator for the Human Rights Parliamentary Caucus and as Hebrew spokesperson for a Palestinian Member of Parliament. In 2010 he gained an MSc in Global Politics from the LSE and is currently working at the LSE Research Centre on Global Governance. He recently attended and spoke at the Amnesty International Annual Conference in Belfast. Second presentation.
In addition to the speakers and discussion there will be an exhibition of
materials related to the region and its current problems.
Do come along!

For more details contact: maggie@polefield.eclipse.co.uk or chris_joney@hotmail.com

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Obama urged to investigate Bush torture claims

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14119065

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/israel-s-boycott-law-the-quiet-sound-of-going-fascist-1.372881

Israel's boycott law: The quiet sound of going fascist

Don't let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise, Israel's boycott law has changed the face of Israel in a downward fascist spiral.

This is the one. Don't let what we like to call the relative calm here, fool you. When the Knesset passed the boycott law Monday night, it changed the history of the state of Israel.

In real time, a tipping point of great magnitude can sound a lot like nothing at all. But if the Boycott Law makes it past challenges filed by human rights and pro-peace organizations in Israel's High Court of Justice, then anything goes, beginning with democracy itself.

Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak and 10 other cabinet ministers already know this. That's why they failed to show up for the vote.

They stayed away because they know that this is the stain that may prove indelible. The Boycott Law is the litmus test for Israeli democracy, the threshold test for Israeli fascism. It's a test of moderates everywhere who care about the future of this place.

This is the one. This is where the slope turns nowhere but down.

the hatred thread the thread of war not peace.
the new name should be subhuman

gaza .is a state of murderers.it is not safe to walk the streets this is fact not fiction

war not peace makes hamas leaders very rich people then they leave and enjoy there spoils

What part of this country do you live in Tank? if you prefer not to answer then please say so.

i live in shropshire

stan i also have a second home in turkey

Well if your free this Saturday how about attending this which Fred put up earlier? Might give you some food for thought. What do you think?


PALESTINE
AND THE
ARAB SPRING

Saturday 16 July 2011 at St Johns Church, Mostyn Street, Llandudno 12.00 4.00pm.

A half-day event jointly organised by Amnesty International UK Colwyn Bay Group and Conwy County Peace Group

The face of the political map in North Africa and the Middle East has changed markedly in recent months as popular uprisings have emerged in several countries. In some, like Tunisia and Egypt, leaders of old regimes have ceded power but in others they are clinging on to power, often using extreme brutality to suppress their own people.
The ripples have spread far and wide and have influenced some changes in Palestine too. Hamas and Fattah have recently agreed to work together and put aside their long-standing differences. This new coming together was aided by the new Egyptian regime.
How will Israel and the international community respond to this landmark development?
What other spin-offs may there be from the tumultuous changes in the region?
Are we moving towards a just and fair peace in Palestine and Israel?
To discuss these and other questions, join us!

Prof Suzannah Linton Professor of International Law at Bangor University, who has vast experience in the field of Human Rights and International Justice. She has previously worked for the UN and other international organisations. She will chair the afternoon discussion forum.

Peter Reilly - who was born in Palestine under the British mandate and is a recently retired school head teacher specialising in Economics and International Politics. He speaks regularly at conferences as an advocate for peace in the Middle East. He will speak about the history of and current political situation in Palestine/Israel and the prospects for peace in the light of the Arab Spring. Third presentation.

Hilary Browne - has recently returned from a three month stay in Palestine where she represented the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme for Palestine and Israel. She will speak about conditions on the ground in the area and everyday conflict and resolutions as she experienced them. First presentation.
Shimri Zameret - is an Israeli citizen who refused the draft, and was consequently imprisoned for 2 years. Following release he worked as co-ordinator for the Human Rights Parliamentary Caucus and as Hebrew spokesperson for a Palestinian Member of Parliament. In 2010 he gained an MSc in Global Politics from the LSE and is currently working at the LSE Research Centre on Global Governance. He recently attended and spoke at the Amnesty International Annual Conference in Belfast. Second presentation.
In addition to the speakers and discussion there will be an exhibition of
materials related to the region and its current problems.
Do come along!

For more details contact: maggie@polefield.eclipse.co.uk or chris_joney@hotmail.com