Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Go on then!

That Pro EU booklet is just that...

For a start This gem..."The UK has secured a special status in a reformed EU"..
The geezers in Brussels must be wetting themselves laughing at that one...
These 'reforms' that Cameron says gives the UK special status is a fallacy,
They have to go before the commissioners and judges, and could be thrown out, and knowing how the EU works they will rewrite, move a comer, or a full stop and the UK will be back at square one with ALL these 'reforms' consigned to the bin... But i'm sure 'dave' believes them, but the EU have a project to carry out, and won't let one country detract them from that.

As to securing borders that's another load of BS, There's thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants on the coast of France attempting to get into the UK everyday 24/7...'dave' says we control our borders because we're not in the Shengen zone...When immigrants get asylum in a country, after 5 years they get EU passports which allows them to travel and work in any of the other 27 countries..

Another false claim.....No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market without having to follow EU rules which they have no real say, pay into the EU, accept EU citizens living and working in their country.

The USA export more to the EU then the UK does, and they don't have to pay, don't have to have workers from the other 27 countries or follow any excessive rules..

That's just a couple of things I picked out, there are plenty more untruths and deceptions...

Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 11 Apr 2016 20:06 - 556 of 559

My stay in the EU booklet from Cameron arrived today.

It has some good arguments in it.
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Hays your all for staying in just admit it .Nothing wrong in that.

We musn't forget jimmy , Haystack is actually in Love with Dave ( and george ).

But Jeremy most of all.

I thought he was falling for the blond bombshell?

i've got the gov't's "stay in" thing at home and i shall read it thoroughly

561 'ere leave me out of it. I'd like have it on record that H and me are just good friends, ha!ha!
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That should keep you busy for a couple of days!

i'm sure so .... i heard it's quite dense (as am i!), but should not be incomprehensible

as is inevitable, it will be very difficult to determine what is genuine fear and concern and what is just propaganda
that also applies to any "out" literature

It's not dense ,just a few pages of scare mongering including how by being in Europe we get better mobile roaming prices ,which will definitely change my mind

,i mean lets keep hundreds of thousands of unskilled east Europeans coming in and changing some of our market towns such as Boston etc in to Lithuania plus take our share of the middle East and African free loaders but it will cost me 20p a minute less to call home if i am in Brussels .
Now that's what i call a deal ,well done Dave .

btw, the ST article by trevor phillips made very interesting reading
i don't agree with much of what he wrote, but at least it was thought-provoking

Whats wrong with what he wrote ?

nothing wrong with it; i just don't entirely agree with the conclusions, or more to the point, the conclusions some of you choose to glean from it

i also think a poll of just 1081 people is a very low sample whatever he claims and however those numbers and results were then extrapolated (i think that's the right word)

To be fair i think he is in a better position to write that article and make the programme than we are .

Jimmy, on the subject of Lincolnshire, which isn't far from me, the workforce is made up of many Eastern European nationalities, all of whom will work hard, in difficult conditions for reasonably basic wages. The work is seasonal and apparently beneath the average British unskilled layabout. More and more the salad and vegetable industry is becoming automated, but it is still reasonably labour intensive, so thank goodness for .......well, at least somebody who is prepared to get his hands dirty and work hard.

Post 554, 'Confessions of an Insider' ....

express.co.uk/news/uk/659928/TRUTH-Europe-Politicians-MEP

HARRY ,sorry but all i hear is how our unskilled British layabouts don't want to work and that is just not true ,i know lots of young people who work hard and don't want to be out of a job.
Of course we have plenty of work shy but so do we have the same with immigrants .
I don't buy that argument .

i agree jimmy, but i am equally entitled to disagree with the conclusions that some of you here choose to glean from it, and also some of trevor phillips's
nevertheless, and as i said at the outset, it is at least thought-provoking and therefore important in that respect

HARRYCAT, there has ALWAYS been people coming from the
continent to work in the fields of the UK, even before all the
open doors, you even got British workers and particularly students
going abroad in the summer holidays to work in the kibutz of Israel etc.

As to the 'British unskilled layabout', there always has been layabouts
in EVERY society, its NOT just British disease, and the reason you don't
get that many 'British' working on the fields is because most of the jobs
are advertised abroad in the low pay countries of eastern europe.....