mr mike
- 21 Jan 2004 13:49
Tanfield Group is the new company name of Comeleon. As I understand it, Comoleon was getting into trouble so TAN (paerent company?) took over. Since this has happened the share price has dropped by 0.25p each day for the last week or so (on average) and are now around the 3p mark with very little activity.
Does anyone know much about this company or previously held stock in Comeleon? There is virtually no info out there other than on the company website.
cheers
Mike
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 08:47
- 558 of 1076
Not really surprised by the fall.
Great cy, great prospects but in this mkt unless you are way above expectations you are going to get a pounding.
I've got HVN after results eps around 7.5 yet trades at 40p and didn't budge.
I want to buy in to TAN but feel it could drop further.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 08:48
- 559 of 1076
And look at it now minus 15.75p down...has the world gone mad ?
cynic
- 22 Apr 2008 08:49
- 560 of 1076
clearly more short-term money in there than i thought ..... perhaps a good chance to buy back in ..... POG were similarly a bit silly this morning, despite a firm BUY in Telegraph this morning .... have now done rather better than just recover!
Toya
- 22 Apr 2008 08:52
- 561 of 1076
TAN had been rising sharply in the lead-up to the results - it's not unusual for the sp to then drop on the actual day of the results.
kimoldfield
- 22 Apr 2008 08:56
- 562 of 1076
It is possible that some holders have been disappointed by this:-
"Earnings per share increased by 194% to 3.59p (2006:1.22p). No dividend has been
declared (2006:nil). The retained profit of 10.4m has been added to reserves to
fund further business growth."
With expansion going on in the US, I would have been disappointed if a dividend had been declared at this stage.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 09:10
- 563 of 1076
Do you know how about doing the opposite of what is sane...how about TLW short sounds great to me in this nutcase market of ours !
cynic
- 22 Apr 2008 09:14
- 564 of 1076
i think just a lot of short term money being squeezed out .... i actually got a fat finger and bought more than i intended at 108, but am ever so tempted to get some more at this level
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 09:36
- 565 of 1076
And to make matters worse Stanelco have risen....I know...super loss making bleeding Stanelco...I'll think I'll go and have a lie down under water and scream !
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 09:39
- 566 of 1076
This has gone from 124p to 100p...????
cynic
- 22 Apr 2008 09:49
- 567 of 1076
WH Ireland has cut Tanfield Group Plc. to 'sell' from 'market perform' following full-year results Tuesday, which the broker said came in below its expectations, highlighting poor cash flow performance, according to market sources.
Earlier, the maker of electric commercial vehicles and aerial work platforms reported pretax profits of 12.4 million pounds for the year to end-December against 3.7 million pounds for the previous year.
WH Ireland had forecast pretax profit of 17.4 million pounds.
The broker noted that 42.4 million pounds has been absorbed into working capital -- it had been expecting 30 million pounds -- and together with 4.8 million pounds of capex -- against the broker's forecast of 5 million pounds -- this left a free cash outflow of 29.5 million pounds.
Net cash at the year-end was down to 28 million pounds, against the broker's expectations of 45 million pounds. This cash burn is not sustainable for much longer, said the broker.
WH Ireland pointed out that the shares have been strong ahead of these results which, it said, have failed to live up to the hype surrounding the company. It is time to take profits, said the broker.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 09:50
- 568 of 1076
There has got to be a rebound here....what would the sp be if the results were bad, I dread to think ?.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 09:51
- 569 of 1076
Profits what profits ?
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 09:58
- 570 of 1076
I hate to depress you rf but IMO this is going down short term to 70 -80p.
Great company though and all other things being equal will be 150-200p within the year.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 10:01
- 571 of 1076
That will cheer cynic and myself up no end thanks !
kimoldfield
- 22 Apr 2008 10:02
- 572 of 1076
I have to agree with W H Ireland's view with the exception of "This cash burn is not sustainable for much longer", IMO the cash burn will not continue if TAN's order book continues to be as strong as it is. I view the share as a 'hold' rather than a sell.
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 10:07
- 573 of 1076
Sorry. Hope I'm wrong.
hlyeo98
- 22 Apr 2008 10:09
- 574 of 1076
Sell before the news...that's the moral of the story.
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 10:11
- 575 of 1076
Total agreement with you h. Particularly in this market.
PapalPower
- 22 Apr 2008 10:16
- 576 of 1076
In case anyone missed it, this was the Daniel Stewart update today on TAN :
Tanfield - HOLD
Price: 106p Target price: 95p
Code: TAN.L Analyst: Mike Stoddart | 0161 830 1892
Strong growth in sales but poor cash flow and disclosure.
Pre-tax profit came in at 12.4m or 13.7m if we add back the re-organisation costs shown in the P/L. This compares with consensus numbers (according to Hemscott) of 15.8m. The shortfall, according to the company, is due to a couple of "one-offs" in the 2007 numbers; a freehold improvement of 3.2m was written off in the period whereas the company had expected to be allowed to capitalise it; a development project in Electric Vehicles which had been capitalised in the H1 results, had to be written off at a cost of 1.6m. There were offsetting releases in the tax line from R&D tax credits so EPS was in line with forecasts at 3.6p.
Cashflow was poor and worse than we expected. There was a working capital outflow of 42m in the period which resulted in a cash outflow from operations of 29m. We would be cautious of Tanfield until this shows signs of stability.
Forecasts - Company guidance is that they are not sure that there needs to be much change to forecasts for 2008. However, in Electric Vehicles, Q1 production (146 vehicles) plus current firm orders (523 vehicles) adds up to 669 vehicles which is 39% below some of the forecasts in the market. We fear that current consensus of c42m pre-tax profit may need to be cut later in the year.
Disclosure is poor: there is no disclosure of the divisional split of profits between Electric Vehicles and Powered Access; there is no disclosure of the contribution from Snorkel.
kimoldfield
- 22 Apr 2008 10:20
- 577 of 1076
Thanks PP. A good analysis of the present situation.