Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 28 Jan 2015 13:27 - 55971 of 55992

cynic
It was the Mirror

Farage has admitted setting up offshore trust. His current view is that it was a mistake and he regrets it...........ends

Hays you shouldnt be complaining this is the kind of thing YOU applaud and support. Is it because you and your boys fear him.

i presume at 19:00 this evening

farage - as i said when the post went up, why shouldn't he?

Ukip has been plunged into crisis after senior activists and a general election candidate quit over the violent past of a campaign chief.

Nigel Farage has given his '100 per cent' backing to county organiser Paul Lovegrove after a storm sparked by his previous convictions for assault.

The row has seen Don Jerrard quit as Ukip candidate in Fareham and sent shockwaves across the party in Hampshire, where Mr Lovegrove is in charge of the election campaign.

Mr Lovegrove has served two prison sentences - one for wounding with intent in 1996 and one for actual bodily harm in 2000, the Portsmouth News reported.

His past has been the subject of heated rows at Ukip meetings, culminating in Mr Jerrard abandoning plans to stand at the election.

Former Portsmouth City Councillor Paul Godier and ex-Fareham and Gosport chairman Bob Ingram have also left the party, blaming Mr Lovegrove's criminal past.

He was jailed for two years when he got into a fight over a family feud and grabbed a bread knife before slashing a man across the face. He served a year behind bars.

He received a number of criminal convictions for drug possession but then went to college in an attempt to turn his life around.

However, he then got into a fight with a man but fled to Spain to avoid a charge of actual bodily harm.

With his partner he had two children on the Costa Del Sol, before returning to England after five years.

He claims he was later beaten up in Guildford, and was charged with an allegation of sexual assault at knifepoint.

He was cleared of this offence at a trial but was jailed for 12 months for the earlier actual bodily harm charge.

However, Mr Farage is standing by Mr Lovegrove, insisting 'people deserve a second chance in life'.

He told the newspaper: 'Mr Lovegrove may have fallen off the rails earlier in his life but he is now totally reformed and we are standing by him 100 per cent. We knew about his past.

'With any political party, having people from all walks of life is a bonus. After all you can't have every party full of Oxbridge graduates.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2930136/Ukip-plunged-crisis-row-campaign-chief-s-criminal-past-leads-election-candidate-quitting.html#ixzz3Q8hWUT5U

So where's your off shore A/C Alf?

You can guarantee that UKIP and Labour will be plunged into crisis several times before the GE. Miliband alone will contribute several major gaffs. There is bound to a 'bigoted woman' moment heading his way.

LOL Hays the peodo scandal is going to hit the papers any day now. Camoron and your boys will have fingers pointed at ETON.

Cheers Cyners. 15 minutes to go then.

stan - i have none; used to have a perfectly legit off-shore biz a/c in bahrain, but it was too much of a pain so brought it back to uk

Read all about it:

http://order-order.com/

Having heard her interview I think I would prefer her choice to the probable choice of this bunch,:



or



or

Miliband's attack on NHS privatisation left in tatters as figures reveal Labour outsourced TWICE as much as the Coalition
Andy Burnham has promised to end the 'failed Tory market experiment'
But he has refused to say how many private health firms he would stop
Official figures show less than 6% of the NHS budget is outsourced
More than 4.4% of the NHS was contracted out under Labour
Last Labour government outsourced 0.5% of the NHS budget every year
But the Coalition has only contracted out 0.25% of the budget each year
Comes after Blairite former ministers publicly attack Miliband over NHS
Alan Milburn said Miliband was failing to drag Labour out of 'comfort zone'
John Hutton said Miliband 'foolish' to distance the party from New Labour
By TOM MCTAGUE, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 12:20, 28 January 2015 | UPDATED: 18:46, 28 January 2015

Check what the outsourcing was use for.


It was to make up for the failures of the previous tory administration.

Check what it was use for and the results and if you have a brain look underneath the figures for the real reasons why.


Also, after 4 years of tory incompetence and a Lansley 4 billion pound "reorganisation" (some would say attempt to Privatised) the NHS have a look at how the NHS and Welfare Services are beginning to and actually failing the the voters.

The voters are not as daft as you or the tory elitists think they are.

"The failures of the previous Tory administration" Which administration are you referring to Fred and which years?

Thank you for your cooperation on the subject Alf, you are free to go.

Dont be fooled by this definition of outsourced by the Tories and the Tory press, this is a fact.......

Official figures show less than 6% of the NHS budget is outsourced, ie, just under 6% FACT

More than 4.4% of the NHS was contracted out under Labour, 4.6%. FACT (and was that high because of there inheritance)

But again the tories and there pay masters are playing with figures and statistics and not presenting facts, eg, how many contracts have the Tories awarded to there freinds who run and supply drugs to the NHS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have the figures and it is mind blowing.

Were not just talking services here.

By Telegraph View

6:35AM GMT 27 Jan 2015

To go into an election promising tax cuts and welfare curbs is a traditional Tory position. But David Cameron has an advantage on many of his predecessors: he is putting these policies before the voters not as an aspiration, but as a proven and rock-solid recipe for job creation, economic success and truly compassionate Conservatism.


Much has been made, and rightly, of the Coalition’s record on employment. Britain is, as the Prime Minister has said, the “jobs factory of Europe”: employment is rising at roughly twice the rate of our nearest competitor, Germany. Yet this is due not to vast macroeconomic forces, but specific policy decisions. The Coalition has, by cutting business taxes, made it more attractive for firms to create jobs. And by bringing in tighter welfare restrictions, it has pushed unemployed workers to take them – causing what Mr Cameron describes in an interview with this newspaper today as a “stampede to the job centre”.


With just 100 days to go until the election, the Prime Minister is doubling down on this policy. Along with the promised tax cuts once the deficit has been closed, he tells us that the first priority of a majority Conservative government will be a further tightening of the welfare cap to £23,000, with the proceeds devoted to the creation of three million apprenticeships. The aim is to ensure that every school leaver is going into either training or university, thereby helping young people to get a grip on the job ladder, rather than languishing on welfare thanks to the kind of handouts long preferred by Labour.


Mr Cameron boasts that this move is “deeply progressive” – and he is right. Measures that were initially denounced as callous and inhuman, which we were told would drive millions into poverty, have instead boosted the labour market and the wider economy, while cutting dependency and giving the individuals concerned a sense of purpose and self-worth – the chance, as the Prime Minister says, “to make the most of their God-given talents”.


It is not just good news that the Conservatives are doing this. It is good news that they are talking about it. We pointed out recently that, for all the strength of the Tories’ economic record, their campaign had focused on Ed Miliband’s manifest inadequacies rather than their own qualifications for power. Yes, voters need to be told of the need for further cuts, and for fiscal discipline. But they also need to be reminded of how the Conservatives have made this a better country, and how they will continue to do so. That is a task which the Prime Minister’s interview with us today, and the policies contained within it, will make a great deal easier.

Bit strong isn't it.

Robbed from afn, courtesy of

freddie01
28 Jan'15 - 22:53 - 6432 of 6432



BURNHAM’S CAR CRASH INTERVIEW ON NHS PRIVATISATION‏



In an interview on BBC Newsnight last night, Labour’s Shadow Health Secretary Andy Burnham admitted that his party would put the ideology of socialised care ahead of patient choice and quality of healthcare. He also slammed the Coalition government for increasing private sector involvement in the service by 1.5 percent, despite the previous Labour administration increasing private involvement by 4.4 percent during their tenure.

Burnham was grilled by Kirsty Wark, who set out by displaying a graph which illustrated that the slow increase in private sector outsourcing enacted by the Coalition government was merely a continuation of a trend started under Labour. Indeed, Burnham himself was Health Secretary from 2009 – 2010, during which time private sector involvement grew by half a percent.

Burnham, however, insisted that the 1.5 percent increase threatened to “destabalise” the health system, by delivering “fragmentation of care” when the “future demands the opposite”. Labour’s flagship policy on the NHS is integration of services, which was pushed by Burnham during the interview.

When quizzed on what the right percentage of private involvement is, Burnham said: “There isn’t a right percentage. I’m very clear that the NHS should be our preferred provider so I don’t see a role for the private sector where it can replace core public provision at the heart of every community.

But Wark challenged Burnham on what this would mean for the quality of care received by patients. “We did a study and we looked at knees and hips across a number of patients,” she told him. “The ones that were outsourced had a better quality of care, they felt, and a better outcome. So therefore that matters to people who pay into the National Health Service, to know that they have the opportunity, if necessary, to go to the best place for them.

“It’s not a question of replacing, it’s giving them that possibility of provision and that’s what you want to take away.”

Astonishingly, Burnham replied: “I’m saying to you that there’s a new reality now from the last decade. The new reality is: times are very tough and market based provision of healthcare adds cost and it adds complexity, and it brings fragmentation.”

Later in the interview Burnham insisted: “So I’m saying of course we support choice and of course we support clinicians -” To which Wark interjected: “But you don’t support choice!”

“Of course we support clinicians getting the best for their patients,” Burnham replied, “but that is within the context of a public NHS where the NHS is the preferred provider because if you carry on stripping services out, cherry-picking, you in the end destabilise the NHS”

“What [percentage] is too far?” challenged Wark, “A number please,” she pressed.

“I’m not going to give a number. I’m not putting a target saying “this is the right level”,” conceded Burnham.

The interview has been widely panned as a “car crash” for Burnham, and, by proxy, for Labour. Westminster blogger Guido Fawkes commented “The Tory outsourcing so aggressively decried by Burnham is just 1.5% more than he implemented, and he won’t even commit to reducing it.”

Others took to Twitter to share the “nightmare” interview, including the Spectator’s Sebastian Payne who tweeted a link saying “Andy Burnham’s car crash interview shows why Labour can’t be trusted with the NHS”

The columnist Ian Birrell called Burnham a hypocrite, tweeting “‘Of course we support choice’ says Andy Burnham, seeking to restrict patient choice with hypocritical U-turn on private provision.”

This morning Burham took to the pages of the Mirror to set out his plans for the NHS. They include repealing the Health and Social Care Act, which he claims has introduced a “a toxic mix of cuts, crisis and privatisation

“That’s why Labour will introduce a Bill to repeal it in our first Queen’s Speech. This will put the right values back at the heart of the NHS and call time on the market experiment.”

However, the article too has drawn criticism. Dan Hodges, the Telegraph commentator and son of Labour MP Glenda Jackson, Tweeted “Andy Burnham in the Mirror writes that Labour will “call time on the [NHS] market experiment”. On Newsnight he said the opposite.

And conservative MP Nadine Dorries commented “It seems that Andy Burnham has made the judgment that #newsnight viewers aren’t the sort of people who will read the Mirror, so he’s safe.”

Others on Twitter have been sharing a link to a Guardian article from 2001, when Burnham sat on the Health Select Committee in Parliament, asking whether Labour was going to privatise the NHS. The conclusion the paper reaches is: “Yes and no – it all depends what you mean by privatisation. Labour insists that it does not want to privatise the NHS, merely bring in private sector expertise and management skills where this can help the health service do its job.”

The paper admits that “for years in opposition was a staple form of Labour rhetoric to claim the Conservatives were “privatising” the NHS by contracting out support services – such as cleaning – to the private sector, or proposing to build hospitals under the private finance initiative.”

It also concedes that “the main difference is that Labour believe that health provision should be paid for by the NHS entirely out of central taxation, whereas the Tories believe the NHS budget should be supplemented by encouraging individuals to take out private medical insurance.”

Northampton Planners voted against TWO Bovis (BVS) new housing developments this evening:

1. 378 homes
2. 1000 homes

An appeal will cost Bovis around £0.5m