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all,

thanks for all of your ideas/pointers etc. i have taken the plunge today and bought into physical silver [PHSP] at 1262p. it was a little more than i wanted to pay but i was flying at the time the market opened, but i am in for the ride and here's to hoping it is upwards mostly.

Alex

all,

thanks for all of your ideas/pointers etc. i have taken the plunge today and bought into physical silver [PHSP] at 1262p. it was a little more than i wanted to pay but i was flying at the time the market opened, but i am in for the ride and here's to hoping it is upwards mostly.

Alex

What do you see?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMM8s8WRqMU

S.

Sorry Saturn, can't watch stuff at home due to severe lack of broadband speed. Too far away from the exchange. It will have to wait tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

On another note, this is Bill Holter's latest and boy oh boy we seem to have reached another chapter of the story. It's a great read

http://blog.milesfranklin.com/tick-tock-they-pulled-the-pin

Snurkle
(Blaming Sahara for my info re orgone - lol)

Anyway moving along - whoever in the team is the leading proponent into orgone/towerbusters etc
- may like to read this re the grandaddy of orgone

Cloudbusters are the orgone concept - to which tower/chem - busters have evolved

NB - make sure - they scroll on past - all the refs/books details early on, in the article

http://www.rexresearch.com/orgone/orgone1.htm

The alleged leading light in the orgone field & tower busters etc - is generally given as
- Don Croft

(just in case they want to have a look at his work - and spin off from there)

Let me know how they get on.

Sahara
(re what do you see)
-I think in paraphrase from the p/cols "for every article (or youT nowadays) they produce - we will produce a 100"
- is what springs to mind...& we can be sure there are at least another 99 around :o)

Living in the pennines - on the heavy spraying days - you can literally watch them laying down the trails - and then watch them open up over hours to blanket the sky milky white
- and there's always ---a plane at the front.

Can't find the original full length interview - but a short 6min clip from it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6P_-Czr-E&feature=player_embedded

Thanks guys for the links and info.


I hope you've all read the Bill Holter article I posted last night as that one sort of kept zooming in and out of my head most of the night.

This is a major break down in the physical metal markets and I quote

So I asked, "How can you still do business without hedging?" to which I found out that so far this week almost ALL of the hedging has been done through Europe, particularly for silver. There is liquidity...just not any coming from the US. He also told me that between 2:00PM and 5:00PM this week he was not able to do any silver hedging at all because there was nowhere to hedge as Europe is sleeping.

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This is the first time I have heard of the fact that the big banks are stepping out of the business as aggregators with ECP's (eligible contract participants).

Surely this is massive news as if the music stops in Europe, or even a lot less music being played, the consequences are huge, massive, enormous, gigantic for the physical markets.

If this is indeed true, it really is time for me to take most of my chips off the table, cash in and sit on it for a bit and see what happens. I'd rather not make any dosh for a couple of years than lose everything.
Of late we see more and more articles, interviews, video's and TV programs with more and more different exposures of stress in the PM markets, that I see this one as one of the biggest alarm bells to date.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

Snurkle - Wouldn't this type of hedging (insurance) only be used if the price dropped significantly between the 2-4 day delivery period? I cant see that anyone would be unahppy if the price exploded higher than what they paid? It may more importantly give rise to the thought that the derivitives market is currently under stress, and may be about to undergo a seismic re-adjustment.

Gaz - Great link thanks and as I listened quickly before the working day to other explanations from Griffith I was left unsure as to the exact intent of his statement. Is it that the US is being attacked by Russia with weather changing weapons to create Hurricanes and such?.

It started as an innocous programme 'VTRPE' (Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation) model. A 3D imaging programme that ties into sattelite and ground radar for warships and battlefields. The barium salts and darpa aerosols were originally used for the 3D imaging over land. But Other agencies became involved and the programme evolved into something more sinister...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQl0lryUPqw

S.

Miners clinging to the lateral line, it may be that Wave-4 needed that new low to complete a more complex corrective pattern?...



If not I will have to hedge my longs.

$Silver is poised above the dotted line still being pressed by the green average still...


S.

Saturn, I take from the article that the hedge is against the price rocketing up and them having to sell it at a loss as the price they pay to buy is higher than the contract with the original customer.

Am I reading this right?

Not sure that would be the case.

If I were a coin dealer and someone put in a large order I would ensure the price I quoted them was a premium above what I could get it for from my supplier for. The supplier would have insured he gave me the price he could get it from his dealer for and the dealer woud have given the price to the supplier that he was satisfied with. If all the transactions were effected instantaneously there wouldn't be an issue. As I assume the prices were agreed at the time of order and not on the delivery date?/

If the Main dealer had given a price to the supplier before he had made a claim or acquired the metal then yes he would need to insure that he could obtain it for the price stated. But a not sure if this is the norm? Unless there was a shortage of 'supply' where you had to wait several days for the metal to become available?

S.

Saturn, in your last paragraph you nailed it in your last sentence / question.
GOFO, backwardation, record physical gold with drawls from Banks vaults etc, shows an ever tighter supply, hence longer delays.
Now the big ones don't want to stick their necks out anymore by hedging the 'delay period'.

O/T

Gaz, I am aware your PC is in retirement most of the time, so hence my question to you through this thread.

One of the guys in my office would like to get in touch with you re chem trails, mast busters etc.
Can I give him your email address? What is the state of your PC? Bring it in and we'll fix it for you. We're very quiet right now so you could see the mast buster build in action.

Sahara

Re drivers going missing - I have actually seen several videos of american trains (the ones that take 15 mins to go by !) - carrying (in the US) - many different types of foreign marked military truck...and the ones with firepower.
- there are also numerous reports from all over the US of large numbers of foreign troops on the ground.
- whilst some may be accounted for - there have been nato as well as joint exercises with the US/Russia and others on ....US soil, the numbers and diverse areas seem more than can be accounted for... as to just relaing to those.
- Every round -of available projectile- seems to be being bought up off the market by TPTB (even Geneva conv.. banned hollowpoints!!)

There are many many other of those type - dots - I could go into, but it gives a gist of...???

Add in - the Senate voting unanimously - for unlimited detention without...charge or trial of US cits.
- add in passing of ...US troops can be used on US soil against US cits.
- add in activity building at FEMY camps
- the f/flags designed to stimulate support for taking shooters of the cits

And much more
- but whilst the many dots are quite disparate - and could be joined many ways,
the one way they can be joined, that is hard to dispute, on just the above small sample is.....
- something - with little doubt....is in progress
- that something being...very very big
- and that something....is likely to be....unpleasant

Exec orders are being issued like confetti by the O'barmy - and he went into Libya - without congress sanction - either before, or as apparently is allowed in urgent situations, ....retrospectively.

As you mentioned earlier - a point at which "they" no longer - need to conceal their actions...is perhaps already here for those who can see it
(Just a tiny example in progress is - Too big to Jail - and... an attorney general confirming - they - are too systemically critical - to even prosecute).
- the rest are just sleepwalking "in" or ...in denial perhaps.

By the end of 2015 (& probably before)...I think we will see a very different world
(Where loss of liberties features...significantly)

Snurkle - wound up the PC with working email and caught up - (plus cleared just under 2000 junk emails not filtered :o)
- will drop you an email on the subject over the weekend
(Got my late 80's mum over for a few days so will prob not post as much in next 48hrs)

- the next article is "connected" tho'

Good to see it back up and running Gaz.
Enjoy the time with your mum.

Sahara - re ChemT's

Living between 3/4 major airports - and on the main pennine flight corridor, I physically see them happen, from begginning to end, so it's not just theory, so to speak.

As the full interview you kindly found infers, in origin there is an argument for original intention of, in laymans terms, using the chemT's as a mirror, for over the horizon 3D building of battlefields etc, however satellites than can tell what you are reading in the newspaper, seem to have made that need obsolete
- and spreading them over the US, Europe, OZ and many other countries, not daily, but most days for 15yrs+ that I know of seems, excessive ?....on that aspect.

Ingredients.

Aluminium - is not handled well by our bodies
(hence many years ago even the boyscouts banned aluminium pans for use with acidic foods - eg stewing apples etc)
- and probably why nowadays...
- most fruit juice cartons now - are aluminium lined
- and in fact nearly everything from pop, crisps, choccy bars (in fact ....everything)
- is...now foil wrapped
(our best interests helth wise - not being well served by TPTB)
- and what gets sprayed up there....comes down...and we breathe
(gets into water supplies...and absorbed by the plants we eat..etc)

Barium absorbs radiation very well
- much from early atmospheric "Abomb tests still cirulates - up there....and the mushrooms from ground based tests put a lot up there.....and Fukishima has, and is, topping it up, ..up there.... the US dealt with the masive rise via the latter...in the usual way.....it increased safe limits by up to many thousand x...original limits)
- so Barium brings
- the up there....down to us.

Strontium is...radioactive.

So all in all a pleasant ...mix

Other uses....

Scalar waves - many say they don't exist of course...but they have been around since Tesla.
- to keep this short(er :o)
- the book "Angels dont play this HAARP"
- is probably best, if you haven't already read it (think it is free on Scribd)
- and the follow up Angels.....still....HAARP
- from memory it links in.. the use ...of scalar - with the chemT's
- can be used to locally heat up & raise the ionosphere...then drop it (effect similar to a Abomby)

And the documented Woodpecker use (plus indeed the documented use by the Ruskies of scalar waves against the US embassy...creating much sickness and cancers)
- demonstrates how the many HAARP scalar arrays around the world, shall we say "could" be used to pleasant effect....bouncing off the chemT - aluminium mirrors...anywhere they choose to angle the beams off the convenient mirrors.

Lastly and fortunately,
- you are well read on projULTRA and the other mind control effects of "electronics EMF's" on our electro-magnetic metabolisms
- have you read about GWEN towers

- nutshell version - developed for communication in the event of loss of conventional methods - in the armageddon of cold war SHTF scenario.

Later BANNED by congress as....they could be used for (drum roll) M/control.
- they are still in place.....but used for...other puposes :o)
- I think thats ....even all documented on Wikipedia.

Join the dots
- ingredients unpleasant
- Scalar and use of ChemT as mirrors with Scalar waves
(bio electro-magnetic beings - eg woodpecker incident/US embassy effect)
- couple that with why - GWEN T's were banned

All in all you have a nice combo ....for those so minded.

Thank goodness all the Eugenicist slave owning families of the British Empire days
- didn't put their vast wealth together
- and been running the show ever since

- doesn't bear thinking about...what they could do ....with just that combo :o)

(perhaps I must read that extract of Mullins book again....there was something in there that...rings some sort of bell :o)

Snurkle - not quite up and running so much as
- a wing and a prayer, loads of teasing and coaching and several attempts :o)

A couple of artciles with some pre write ups before the link. Courtesy of Ed Steer

Top 10 gold miners: cash cost reporting comes home to roost

The full absurdity of cash cost reporting for gold miners is really coming to the fore with the latest batch of quarterly and half yearly reports from the world’s leading gold mining companies. On a cash costs basis virtually all the world’s significant gold miners would appear to be profitable – most highly so, yet as we foreshadowed ahead of them on Mineweb the latest quarterly and half yearly profit figures coming out of the gold mining sector are, virtually without exception, dire.

One might have been forgiven from asking in the past why reported earnings have invariably worked out as being way below the optimistic estimates suggested by cash cost reporting, and this quarter the figures are really making the point that at current gold prices even the best of the world’s gold miners are either making losses, or are only at best marginally profitable. That’s a sobering fact for gold stock investors who may well have misunderstood the actual profit implications of the cash cost figures promulgated by most mining companies in their quarterly and annual reports in the past.

There is a case for reporting cash costs though, but only in context. They do signify how an individual mine can fare in a given gold price environment. What they do not take into account is the myriad of other costs, royalties, taxes and overheads a mining company can face in trying to sustain production across a group of operations – and this is why many miners are beginning to report what are now described as all-in sustaining costs – which in many cases are actually around double the cash cost figures or even more. This has been put forward as a sensible way of reporting by the World Gold Council. And by and large the major miners at least are falling into line on this.


http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en/mineweb-whats-new?oid=199552&sn=Detail


Barrick Takes Write-down, Cuts Dividend as Gold Declines

Barrick Gold Corp., the world’s largest producer of the precious metal, took $8.7 billion of write-downs and cut its dividend after gold prices fell.

Barrick posted a second-quarter net loss of $8.56 billion, or $8.55 a share, compared with net income of $787 million, or 79 cents, a year earlier, the Toronto-based company said today in a statement. The miner said it reduced its quarterly payout to 5 cents a share from 20 cents to improve liquidity.

“This is the prudent course of action,” Chief Executive Officer Jamie Sokalsky said in the statement. “We recognize the importance of dividends to our shareholders, and it is our goal to return more capital to investors in the future.”

Gold-mining companies have announced at least $21 billion of write-downs in the past two months after the metal’s steepest quarterly drop in London trading in more than nine decades. Barrick wrote down the value of its delayed Pascua-Lama mine in the Andes by $5.1 billion and took impairments on other assets including goodwill and a copper mine in Saudi Arabia.

Sokalsky, like every other gold and silver mining executive, knows precisely why they're in such dire straits...and that's because the precious metal prices are rigged...something that gold fund manager John Hathaway finally got around to admitting in his commentary at King World News posted further up in the Critical Reads section. But Sokalsky, like all the heads of the biggest gold and silver producers, is bought and paid for...and would prefer run their industry, their companies...and their respective shareholders into the dirt, rather than confront the issue.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-01/barrick-takes-writedown-cuts-dividend-as-gols-declines.html

Gaz,.....just bring the thing in. No charge .... only parts if required but only with your approval of course.