Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Peter Rolfe---26 kids by 15 women, what a fine specimen he is, benefits of £46k a year. If ever a reason were needed to clamp down on benefits this surely is it.
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2517

What do you suggest in the case you described.

Castrate the bastard.

Paul and Sandra Dunham are due to receive their sentences today.

See HERE

What isn't made clear, is that when an accusation is made against you in the USA, you are first of all presumed guilty until you actually prove your innocence.

Additionally, everything is so stacked against you by way of not actually being able to defend yourself adequately well enough to be able to 100% guarantee this will happen even if you are innnocent of the charges.

Primarily, this is because of the absolute fortune it costs in lawyers fees.

The accused then looks at the statistics and finds that with 'white collar crimes' the plea bargain rate is 97% and so just because of this, is pressured into doing such a 'Plea Bargain'.

A sample selection of accusations is then chosen by the prosectuing lawyer and the accused then agrees to accept a 'Guilty' plea on these in return for the absolute guarantee of a lighter sentence from the judge. ie. Do a plea bargain.

Having agreed to this:

It is likely that Sandra Dunham will get 60 days in jail.

As to what Paul Dunham will get as a sentence is as yet unknown but we are about to find out.

IMHO, I do think, as lots of others do, that he and his wife are actually totally innocent of everything they have been accused of.

At one time, Paul Dunham enjoyed the right to entertain Pace's clients by taking them by helicopter to watch the Formula 1 Grand Prix at Silverstone. This is a measure of his total remuneration package worth to the company at that time and his powers within the company.

Just imagine what he would have wanted to remove his home from the UK to the USA to run Pace in the USA and then in turn remove house once again from one USA location to another.

From what I've read about his position, it looks to me like he has cleverly and maliciously been totally stitched up by the son of the USA owner of Pace, that owner now long dead and unable to verify the situation and help Paul.

The whole thing seems now so complicated and so expensive, I think both Paul and his wife, Sandra have had to totally capitulate. He has had heart problems and isn't actually well enough to fight. He has also been extradited out of the UK to the USA under the most appalling USA/UK extradition agreement, which latter was designed to be used only with terrorists - but has never, ever been used for that reason.

God help- anyone, including USA citizens too, if they are innocent and ever happen to come up and be on the receiving end of American legal shit - because that is just what it really is.

American legalities are for lawyers to get rich from. They are not about justice and keeping or breaking the law. If you are guilty, you need a lawyer. If you are innocent, you need a lawyer. If you ever need an American lawyer, then God help you!

Fred, a classic case of an irresponsible irk who could not afford to look after his offspring himself, he should have after warnings, been given a vasectomy. His benefits should be cut back to the £26k limit immediately.

CC great idea.
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2517,

I empathise with your position, but:

Are you going to hold this individual down?

To do so legally what law are you going to introduce and what limits are that law?

Who will do the the operation and what price will you pay for it being done?

If you limit the payments, who suffers, the parents or the children?

Does the state confiscate the children and what is the cost of their maintenance in institution?

It is a bit of a b.

Apparently, there is some snow around. It is nice and dry and fairly warm here in London.

If you limit the payments, who suffers, the parents or the children?
in this sort of case, you'ld probably find that the parents spend much of the allowances on themselves

i know you're just playing devil's advocate, but i think as i suspect much of the electorate does, that open purse benefits is as unacceptable as open door immigration

Typical barrack room lawyer.
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George 2517 and what about the other end of the scale you know the Tax dodgers, what are you going to do with them ?

Who would swap the woman terrorist for the kidnapees?

George lets face it, the deficit could be wiped clean overnight if we caught these people robbing the country of tax while a benefit cap of £23 grand per annum is just a pin prick on the deficit.

Do you think you are morally right with your stance on benefits?.

It is very doubtful if stopping tax dodgers would generate much money. That is without thinking of the manpower needed. The lefties always exaggerate the scale of these things.

that doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped, but of course sticky and some of his pals seem to be unable to differentiate between avoidance with evasion

do some of the currently legit loopholes need to be tightened or stopped?
Yes

Of course we do Hays weve taken a leaf out of your book.

I wasnt asking you though, I was asking George thankyou.

gf I have no time for anyone who evades paying their dues. I have attended offices of both HMRC, and The Official Receiver as well as other agencies regarding 3 employers in my area for exactly that as well as fraud. The evidence is compelling and irrefutable yet both HMRC and the OR chose to put it on the back burner stating lack of manpower and prioritisation, as did our local constabulary, the fraud section in our area did have 11 officers but at the time of my visits that had been cut to 2. So these b's get away with it.
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in my case, a legit claim for about £25k to be reimbursed from HMRC (VAT) has so far taken 3 years and has still not been resolved

but they're quick enough on the trigger if you owe even £100

''Do you think you are morally right with your stance on benefits?.''-------Absolutely.
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I hope you'll be claiming interest in the VAT not repaid Cynic..

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/11/tax-avoidance-justice-network £69 million

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/uk-tax-gap-rises-hmrc-avoidance-
£35 Billion

So thats £69 million Tax evasion per annum and £35 Billion Tax avoidance per year

In total £104 billion. Thats out of date as 2014 fig not yet in so call that rounded £110 Billion not collected in taxes.

Now whats the Fraud on benefits per year.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may/13/welfare-fraud-error-universal-credit

£1.2 Billion rounded for 2014 £1.4 Billion.

So we have ...........

A.Tax evasion and avoidance £110 Billion per annum

B. Benefit Fraud £1.2 Billion per annum.


Now whats the Budget Deficit ............

£105 Billion

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/


Well yes Id say that kind of puts things into perspective and shows just how much the Tories and the Right Wing Press are conning the Gullible British Public.

Like I said the deficit could be paid overnight especially if you account for arrears of Tax avoided and evaded in the past three or four years where investigations are ongoing.