Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I hope you'll be claiming interest in the VAT not repaid Cynic..

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/11/tax-avoidance-justice-network £69 million

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/11/uk-tax-gap-rises-hmrc-avoidance-
£35 Billion

So thats £69 million Tax evasion per annum and £35 Billion Tax avoidance per year

In total £104 billion. Thats out of date as 2014 fig not yet in so call that rounded £110 Billion not collected in taxes.

Now whats the Fraud on benefits per year.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may/13/welfare-fraud-error-universal-credit

£1.2 Billion rounded for 2014 £1.4 Billion.

So we have ...........

A.Tax evasion and avoidance £110 Billion per annum

B. Benefit Fraud £1.2 Billion per annum.


Now whats the Budget Deficit ............

£105 Billion

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/


Well yes Id say that kind of puts things into perspective and shows just how much the Tories and the Right Wing Press are conning the Gullible British Public.

Like I said the deficit could be paid overnight especially if you account for arrears of Tax avoided and evaded in the past three or four years where investigations are ongoing.

George do you not think you are being hoodwinked by the right wing press and media?.

George did you know that George Osbourne is currently sitting on a NI budget surplus of £30 billion, yes £30 billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Ask yourself why is the NHS in such a mess then.

Yes I did see that somewhere gf, as for the NHS being in such a mess, if that £30b was given to the NHS it would still be in a mess, money alone is not the answer.
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avoided = playing by the rules

evasion = taking the piss


No one pays tax they don't have to.

I've always took the view that if it can't be proven you owe it then nothing is due.

You owe it to the people who have to pay extra because a small % of greedy bastards who know they can get away with it, because of a government who dont care and can make more political gain out of literally a handful of poor people in order to help there election chances.

And its time all this shit with the big corporations like Macdonnelds Apple Costa etc etc didnt dictate what taxes they pay, they arent the government. Let them call the goverments bluff, they need this country more than we need them.

The thing is gf unless its commercial or considered as commercially trading then legally I wouldn't owe a penny. If someone is in full time employment paying tax under the PAYE system but also does a little private work on the side through word of mouth then its not exactly commercial as its subject to demand. Further to this I know a few people that buy old vehicles, do them up, drive around in them for a few months and sell them on making money. The profit here isn't taxable as its not considered commercial due to the volume and the fact they use the cars. The profit levels however can still be very good especially if they're being entered into shows.

Im not that bothered Shortie with the working man who makes a few bob in the black economy although you tend to find its that type who are always gobbing off about so called scroungers.

No its these celeb types like that ex Liverpool footie player who got caught in a tax dodging scheme who get on my tits. An average Joe like him........... murphy isnt it, with £3 million snuck away.

Chuck them in prison I say, its far worse than shop lifting.

Manuel.

I accept there is a legal difference between evasion and avoidance, but for many the difference is whether it is morally right to go to the lengths they do to avoid payments which the do.

I think there should be further tightening of the avoidance and wealth protection regulations.

I am amazed by members of my family the degrees they go to through their accountants to avoid minor payments.

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But Manuel you haven't suggested the changes in morality and culture necessary to deal with few families who have excessive number of kids.

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Fred they should be both lumped together and penalties made the same for both groups. Prison sentences are needed. If you can be put in prison fro 6 months for nicking a giro cheque these robbing bastards should get at least 10 times that.

A deterrent like that and ENFORCED would see the likes of Lester Pigot and the likes thinking twice before hiding there money away.

SCUM of the earth they are.

What about the so called celebs of television many of them get paid via a co thus reducing their tax liability. Is this morally right?
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Why is there never any action taken against the accounts or tax advisers that arrange these schemes for celebrities. If they were to be struck off in some way then you'd choke the system from source!!

No they are the worst group of the lot and I wouldnt mind but none of them have any talent anymore...........you know the type I mean Keith Lemon these stand up comedians all the tossers on X factor and strictly etc etc.

Even Fiona Bruce as been at it.

Errr, 'cos it's all perfectly legal?

Good idea Shortie and these football agents who take a massive cut for selling trash players from one club to another.

I would like to have seen a number more MPs go before the judge and pay the appropriate price.

It might clean up the stink of corruption Trading Hours emanating from the HP.


No wonder people are turning their backs on a government more interest in PR, keeping themselves in lower at the expense of the middle and working class of society.

err no its not as Jimmy Carr found out my dear.

By the way how are you still on the pist?.