Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

ISIS atrocity
i could not think of a calmer word, and on reflection it would not be merited
the execution of this pilot would be bad enough, but burning him alive was truly stomach-turning - absolutely i shall not watch it, and the authorities should remove it

however, the question posed by MrT was, "how should the jordanians react?"
executing the ISIS bomber was the only response possible, but at least it was done quickly and (i think) out of public gaze

i thoroughly agree that other spiritual and temporal leaders around the muslim world should make themselves heard loud and clear in utter condemnation of this barbaric act

however, even if that outcry is lily-livered and muted, there is no excuse whatsoever for the rest of us to allow a wave of general anti-muslim feeling and action to overwhelm us

the majority of muslims are just like the rest of us, but happen to follow a different faith
why should they not do so, or more pointedly, why should they be tarred with the same brush as these ISIS extremists?

Yes, I'm sure we will see lots of "not in my name" protests from the muslim community.

the muslim they call john is rom the uk yet is family or friends have not disclosed is name so they agree with and support isil. and until the muslims speak out then they are all the same . my views so come on you good non terrorists muslims speak out and clean the name of islam . your silence is not good

all those that have gone to join isil must never be allowed back in to the uk

Re Max's Torygraph post, "Mr Mann said the list "reinforces the impression that this is a gentlemen's club"."

Not much it don't!

did anyone watch the prog on BBC2 last night about the inside workings of parliament?
it was really interesting and further episodes to follow

a couple of women MPs, one from each side, got good coverage
the labour one from Rotherham was very impressive and it was a nice touch to see Cameron thanking and congratulating her for her excellent question in PMQs re child abuse

stan I see you have no views on major issues like terrorists . are you one who gets under the table

Alf,

Never mind the "nice" platitudes from these people, its their actions (if any) that people will scrutinise.

as you obviously did not watch, it OUGHT to be difficult for you to comment

cynic I did it was very interesting

PIERS MORGAN: Watching ISIS burn a man alive was the most abominable thing I have ever seen - and any Muslim who won't stand up to these barbarians must watch it

what a wonderful character the clerk was ..... he was clearly much moved by the spontaneous applause he got
i very much hope that the "new boy" will continue in and with the same tradition .... there's much to be said for it even if it is of another age

now off for a few days have a nice weekend all

More hot air from Alf alert! ban him I say -):

Where to this time Tanks, somewhere sunny I expect?

Jordan has executed two convicts, including a female jihadist, following the killing of one of its air force pilots by Islamic State (IS) militants.

The woman, failed suicide bomber Sajida al-Rishawi, and al-Qaeda operative Ziyad Karboli - both Iraqi nationals - were hanged at dawn, officials said.

The executions came hours after IS posted a video appearing to show pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh being burned alive.

Jordan earlier vowed an "earth-shattering" response after IS posted a video online showing what militants say is the pilot standing in a cage engulfed in flames.

One of the leading authorities in Sunni Islam condemned the killing, saying the burning to death of Lt Kasasbeh violated Islam's prohibition on the mutilation of bodies.

In a statement released on Tuesday night, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of al-Azhar University in Egypt, called for the "killing, crucifixion of IS terrorists".

In general I'm not sure that escalation achieves much in the medium to long term.

Manuel
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ISIS atrocity

1) but burning him alive was truly stomach-turning –

Yes, but dropping cluster bombs, bombing from 20000 feet on to unseen “enemies” with the consequences of maiming, “burning”, killing etc. is no less atrocious, barbaric or inhumane.

Using unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones “to take out a said “enemy””, with acceptance of collateral damage of non-involved families and civilians. (Sometimes, burning to death.)

Also, the pilot as was his job prepared to “legally” kill the “enemy”.

Was killing out of public gaze the answer. Perhaps the public should see what they often call for.

What has it improved by doing so.

Has it concreted one barbaric action in one group of individuals as the correct action or reinforced those who indulge in the rightfulness of barbaric actions.

2) Ii thoroughly agree that other spiritual and temporal leaders around the muslim world should make themselves heard loud and clear in utter condemnation of this barbaric act

Agreed it should be condemned, as similar actions, even if surgically and cleanly done by USA, Britain , Russia or any other country.

3) the majority of muslims are just like the rest of us, but happen to follow a different faith why should they not do so, or more pointedly, why should they be tarred with the same brush as these ISIS extremists?

I agree. Watching the actions of the actions of various wars the actions of combatants are similar whether Christian, Moslem, Hindu, Atheists. Look at former Yugoslavia, Orthodox against Catholics, against Moslems. (Multitudes of barbaric actions in the names of each group.)

Short reply.

But what I see is inevitable in order to have a “reasonable” world is the strengthening of the United Nations, removing of the veto and it being giving it the necessary resources and strength of “police force” and unfortunately the “weapons” to enforce, “reasonable” law and order.

(The world is just a reflection of its various tribes.)

escalation by whom?

i would have agreed had you written that escalation of terror tactics by ISIS will be counter-productive in the long run, not least because it is being carried out in an area where there is comparatively easy access and reporting by the world's media - unlike china, north korea and in times past, stalinist russia

fred - sorry but i can't be bothered to respond in detail to your post from utopia, though one or two points are indeed valid

As said, in general.