Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

he might find that a damn sight easier (a) if he sounded remotely contrite if writing to Mike/Ian and (b) realised that he was now an adult and that flying in with boot and fist every time there was a perceived insult wins no points with anyone

for all that, i would very much like to see him back as i have no problem skipping past all the crap, whether political or on share-related threads, and his CHART thread and contributions elsewhere are greatly missed

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funny that no one is standing up for DB

however, i would certainly have no problem with seeing him return to the fold, but i'm afraid he is also incapable of keeping a civil tongue in his head, especially if in the same room (ring!) as GF

He's been there a while , I noticed a while back every Company he promoted here was on there , same message a minute later.

i have no problem with peeps populating boards under different names ...... what's the odds?

Manuel,

Post 56380


Stand in front of a mirror and substitute "I" for "he" in your passage (the one above) and read it.

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I have never understood how a person who has not read a post, is able to pronounce the post as crap, and translate for myself "crap" means "disagreeing" reflexly with the possible content, based on a sense of omniscience, or a feeling of superiority not actual logic.

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But the demise of both GF and DB is probably due to their obvious personal antipathy
to one another.

A pity they can't have a suspended cold war and communicate through foreign embassies.

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PS,

I admit that too often I attempt to be provocative and also responsively abusive to some or the their stances.

I excuse it as being my nature.

on the other hand, i haven't been sin-binned .... you're being very silly today .... has that bitter wind penetrated your thermals or somesuch?

As we all know the NHS is safe in tory hands.


Another success for Cameron and Hunt and George.



NHS reorganisation was disastrous, says King's Fund


By James Gallagher
Health editor, BBC News website


Making the sums add up
Flu vaccine is 'barely effective'
NHS agency nurses spending 'soars'
Radical changes to the way the NHS in England is organised have been "disastrous" and "distracted" from patient care, leading analysts say.


The evaluation by the King's Fund think tank says the coalition government's changes had wasted three years, failed patients, caused financial distress and left a strategic vacuum.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31145600

Flu vaccine is 'barely effective' ..... apparently due to this year's strain, so a totally preposterous snipe

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it matters not who started the "bigger is better" reform - i think it started many years ago - but at last it has been recognised that, despite the undoubted logic, this really does not work or at least not nationwide

further, it has also been recognised that far too many hospital administrators have no medical training, resulting in perpetual conflict between the relevant parties ..... there are plans to change this

none of this (and more) will happen overnight, and nor should any party claim the kudos or throw the brickbats

But Noo Labour can do no wrong c.

As for the flu vaccine, it always was a non starter as the flu virus mutates too quickly for the stuff to be very effective. But the manufacturers will never admit it.

Those viruses are bloody clever!

I have to admit by including in my C+P I was attempting to confabulate unrelated different issues.

(I will sit on the naughty step and drink my coffee.)

However, the major point was the findings:

The Lansley tory bound ideological reorganisation was a failure.


Radical changes to the way the NHS in England is organised have been "disastrous" and "distracted" from patient care, leading analysts say.



And as I posted earlier, what was needed was time to allow previous reorganisations to bed down.

That doesn't mean that adjustments, changes and modifications should not occur in response to "failings".

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Again although separate from the above this also has a major importance for the NHS:


“ agency nurses and doctors spending is soaring and that is due to the continuing inappropriate work contracts and service arrangements.”



But as Iposted earlier one of the problems in the “service” is the cost in cash and moral of those working in contact with patients.

(There is a need for agencies, but it should be under the direct management of those in the NHS. (I have witnessed such in action.)

"MaxK - 06 Feb 2015 11:38 - 56389 of 56390

As for the flu vaccine, it always was a non starter as the flu virus mutates too quickly for the stuff to be very effective. But the manufacturers will never admit it."


I was going to respond "Bullshit".

But won't.

Suggest you look up the "efficacy" of "flu" vaccination in the UK in previous yes.

This one mutated a little too "quickly".

My guess the lesson will be learnt and also some of the "lessons" from Ebola may apply to production, timing and delivery for next year.

Flu is a trivial disease for some, but for many it is a killer.

one thing on which i hope we're all agreed is that just throwing money at NHS will not solve anything for the longer term and probably not even in the short term

Some light reading for you Fred.


http://www.who.int/biologicals/vaccines/influenza/en/

Manuel,

I will surprise you there, I agree that money should not be indiscriminately thrown at the NHS.

It needs the fat and thin controllers to sit down and think what the foreseeable goals of the NHS and Welfare systems should be over the next 20 years and which route to get there.

It needs "test" runs of "bright ideas" before costly introductions and then some failures.

It needs a lifting of moral and removal of some of the "competitions" between different groups in the services and acceptance that the goals are the same, the approaches can be different.

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Observing from the outside is interesting.

I doubt that the systems can be apolitical, but if a pattern of coalition government does become established is "might" be easier, especially if the pattern is ongoing with a movement to "proportional" representation.

the bits i mentioned in 56387 are "actual" and not just some fanciful thought of mine

it is very unfortunate and of benefit to no one that NHS has become a complete political football, but it would be very much wishful thinking that it will revert to an apolitical let alone altruistic or even x-party problem to be solved

NHS's conception was based on an ideology which has never been accepted by some.

it's been hijacked by all

Oh no it hasn't.