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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

dreamcatcher - 20 Aug 2011 12:40 - 5661 of 6906

Is Fred on hols anyone?

Haystack - 20 Aug 2011 13:18 - 5662 of 6906

The blood of Egyptians is too valuable to go unanswered, said Egyptian Prime Minister Essam Sharaf in response to the killing of five Egyptian soldiers in an Israeli attack in Sinai.

The revolution was made to restore Egyptian dignity at home and abroad, Sharaf said in a statement on his official Facebook page, and what was acceptable in Egypt before the revolution will not be acceptable in Egypt after the revolution.

He also said that he was weighing available alternatives with regard to the Sinai killings, without explaining the nature of those alternatives.

Meanwhile, all of the candidates for the Egyptian presidency have agreed that the Egyptian armed forces should deal with Israel firmly after the attack.

They also called for closure of the Egyptian embassy in Tel Aviv, removal of the Israeli ambassador in Cairo, and to stop supplying Israel with natural gas.

Presidential candidate Abdul-Munim Abul Fattouh has called on the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces to consider the incident a national security issue affecting all Egyptians.

An Egyptian military official said the country's forces are making a comprehensive assessment of the border situation to determine the reasons for the killing and injury of the Egyptian troops and take whatever steps necessary to prevent it from happening again in the future.

Haystack - 20 Aug 2011 16:25 - 5663 of 6906

Egyptian security experts warn Israel is planning on taking control in part of the Sinai Peninsula with support from the United States.

The move would be a proactive step by the Israelis after the ouster of Israeli ally and former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak.

Former Major General Sameh Seif El-Yezel, an expert on national security and intelligence, said that Israel was planning on crossing Egyptian borders and occupying somewhere between five and seven kilometers of the Sinai Peninsula in order to secure its borders. He pointed out that world powers would support Israel in case that happened.

Another security expert Ibrahim Salah said the plan had leaked during the onset of Egypts Jan. 25 revolution. He said that Israel managed to convince the U.S. that the Mubarak removal would threaten the stability of its borders with Egypt and that it was in the best interest to secure those boundaries by occupying part of Sinai by any means necessary.

Egyptian newspaper Al-Masri Al-Yawm quoted Egyptian security sources as saying that the situation in Sinai has become serious, as tensions rise at home and abroad. He said on one hand there is an internal conflict across the peninsula between elements from the Egyptian armed forces and armed groups, and on the other hand, the Israelis have attacked in the north, confirming fears that Israel has intent to move into the peninsula.

The sources said that Israel wanted to demonstrate that Egypt was unable to control security in Sinai and that its borders with Egypt are not secure. He also said there was a possibility that in the near future, Israel would ask for international armed forces to be deployed to monitor its borders with Egypt.

TANKER - 20 Aug 2011 18:02 - 5664 of 6906

it is EGYPT fault for aiding terrorist country run by hamas which gaza voted for the rest of the world
should stop feeding the beggars that would end there lazy lives
and sending there children on the streets .gaza is a worthless country ful of worthless people only fit to beg and kill.

TANKER - 20 Aug 2011 18:03 - 5665 of 6906

why will they not vote for peace .which any human would do .

Haystack - 20 Aug 2011 20:29 - 5666 of 6906

Egypt were not aiding terrorists. Hamas has denied responsibility for the attacks. It is unlikely that it was Hamas who attacked the Israeli soldiers. Egypt has been trying to secure the Sinai area. Egypt thinks that is was Al Qaeda who were involved.

Israel is just being trigger happy as usual. They have attacked Gaza when there is no evidence about who made the original attacks. Israeli soldiers chased the attackers and then when they reached the border they fired across the border killing 5 Egyptian policemen.

TANKER - 21 Aug 2011 18:37 - 5667 of 6906

balls it was hamas and the scum of subhumans of what they are and all the scum in gaza that voted killers into power .i would sooner burn my goods rather than let them eat . as a old soldier and english . i find them cowards and only send women and children to protect them . as they hide in there shelters . brave they are not cowards they are

TANKER - 21 Aug 2011 18:39 - 5668 of 6906

and by the way i do not support the un bombing libya it is a disgrace .and all down to oil . the un is a disgrace terrorists in disguise . they would never attack russia what ever they did

mnamreh - 21 Aug 2011 19:01 - 5669 of 6906

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Haystack - 21 Aug 2011 19:16 - 5670 of 6906

TANKER
Most of the international community don't even think it was Hamas. Even Israel has backtracked now and are coming up with a different story.

The ones responsible are the PRC (Popular Resistance Committees) and they have admitted to it. Hamas has been trying to stop rocket attacks for more than ayear.

Look at the Israeli press

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-must-not-escalate-the-situation-in-the-south-1.379818

Netanyahu must not escalate the situation in the south

The prime minister must not succumb to seductive calls for a show of power in Gaza; Hamas wasn't behind Thursday's attacks, nor does it seek to increase tensions with Israel.

yuff - 24 Aug 2011 09:28 - 5671 of 6906




AN EDUCATED NON-JEWISH TAKE ON ISRAEL. PLEASE READ IT



>>
>> Denis MacEoin, a senior editor of the Middle East Quarterly, addresses
>> The Committee
>> Edinburgh University Student Association
>>
>>
>> Received by e-mail from the author, Denis MacEoin,
>> a senior editor of the Middle East Quarterly,
>>
>> The Committee
>> Edinburgh University Student Association
>>
>> May I be permitted to say a few words to members of the EUSA? I am an
>> Edinburgh graduate (MA 1975) who studied Persian, Arabic and Islamic
>> History in Buccleuch Place under William Montgomery Watt and Laurence
>> Elwell Sutton, two of Britain's great Middle East experts in their day. I
>> later went on to do a PhD at Cambridge and to teach Arabic and Islamic
>> Studies at Newcastle University. Naturally, I am the author of several
>> books and hundreds of articles in this field.
>>
>> I say all that to show that I am well informed in Middle Eastern affairs
>> and that, for that reason, I am shocked and disheartened by the EUSA
>> motion and vote. I am shocked for a simple reason: there is not and has
>> never been a system of apartheid in Israel. That is not my opinion, that
>> is fact that can be tested against reality by any Edinburgh student,
>> should he or she choose to visit Israel to see for themselves.
>>
>> Let me spell this out, since I have the impression that those member of
>> EUSA who voted for this motion are absolutely clueless in matters
>> concerning Israel, and that they are, in all likelihood, the victims of
>> extremely biased propaganda coming from the anti-Israel lobby. Being
>> anti-Israel is not in itself objectionable. But I'm not talking about
>> ordinary criticism of Israel. I'm speaking of a hatred that permits itself
>> no boundaries in the lies and myths it pours out. Thus, Israel is
>> repeatedly referred to as a "Nazi" state. In what sense is this true, even
>> as a metaphor? Where are the Israeli concentration camps? The
>> einzatsgruppen? The SS? The Nuremberg Laws? The Final Solution? None of
>> these things nor anything remotely resembling them exists in Israel,
>> precisely because the Jews, more than anyone on earth, understand what
>> Nazism stood for. It is claimed that there has been an Israeli Holocaust
>> in Gaza (or elsewhere). Where? When? No honest historian would treat that
>> claim with anything but the contempt it deserves. But calling Jews 'Nazis'
>> and saying they have committed a Holocaust is as basic a way to subvert
>> historical fact as anything I can think of.
>>
>> Likewise apartheid. For apartheid to exist, there would have to be a
>> situation that closely resembled things in South Africa under the
>> apartheid regime. Unfortunately for those who believe this, a weekend in
>> any part of Israel would be enough to show how ridiculous the claim is.
>> That a body of university students actually fell for this and voted on it
>> is a sad comment on the state of modern education. The most obvious focus
>> for apartheid would be the country's 20% Arab population. Under Israeli
>> law, Arab Israelis have exactly the same rights as Jews or anyone else;
>> Muslims have the same rights as Jews or Christians; Baha'is, severely
>> persecuted in Iran, flourish in Israel, where they have their world
>> centre; Ahmadi Muslims, severely persecuted in Pakistan and elsewhere, are
>> kept safe by Israel; the holy places of all religions are protected under
>> a specific Israeli law. Arabs form 20% of the university population (an
>> exact echo of their percentage in the general population). In Iran, the
>> Baha'is (the largest religious minority) are forbidden to study in any
>> university or to run their own universities: why aren't your members
>> boycotting Iran?
>>
>> Arabs in Israel can go anywhere they want, unlike blacks in apartheid
>> South Africa. They use public transport, they eat in restaurants, they go
>> to swimming pools, they use libraries, they go to cinemas alongside Jews -
>> something no blacks could do in South Africa. Israeli hospitals not only
>> treat Jews and Arabs, they also treat Palestinians from Gaza or the West
>> Bank. On the same wards, in the same operating theatres.
>>
>> In Israel, women have the same rights as men: there is no gender
>> apartheid. Gay men and women face no restrictions, and Palestinian gays
>> often escape into Israel, knowing they may be killed at home. It seems
>> bizarre to me that LGBT groups call for a boycott of Israel and say
>> nothing about countries like Iran, where gay men are hanged or stoned to
>> death. That illustrates a mindset that beggars belief. Intelligent
>> students thinking it's better to be silent about regimes that kill gay
>> people, but good to condemn the only country in the Middle East that
>> rescues and protects gay people. Is that supposed to be a sick joke?
>>
>> University is supposed to be about learning to use your brain, to think
>> rationally, to examine evidence, to reach conclusions based on solid
>> evidence, to compare sources, to weigh up one view against one or more
>> others. If the best Edinburgh can now produce are students who have no
>> idea how to do any of these things, then the future is bleak. I do not
>> object to well documented criticism of Israel. I do object when supposedly
>> intelligent people single the Jewish state out above states that are
>> horrific in their treatment of their populations. We are going through the
>> biggest upheaval in the Middle East since the 7th and 8th centuries, and
>> it's clear that Arabs and Iranians are rebelling against terrifying
>> regimes that fight back by killing their own citizens. Israeli citizens,
>> Jews and Arabs alike, do not rebel (though they are free to protest). Yet
>> Edinburgh students mount no demonstrations and call for no boycotts
>> against Libya, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Iran. They prefer to make
>> false accusations against one of the world's freest countries, the only
>> country in the Middle East that has taken in Darfur refugees, the only
>> country in the Middle East that gives refuge to gay men and women, the
>> only country in the Middle East that protects the Baha'is.... Need I go
>> on? The imbalance is perceptible, and it sheds no credit on anyone who
>> voted for this boycott.
>>
>> I ask you to show some common sense. Get information from the Israeli
>> embassy. Ask for some speakers. Listen to more than one side. Do not make
>> your minds up until you have given a fair hearing to both parties. You
>> have a duty to your students, and that is to protect them from one-sided
>> argument. They are not at university to be propagandized. And they are
>> certainly not there to be tricked into anti-Semitism by punishing one
>> country among all the countries of the world, which happens to be the only
>> Jewish state. If there had been a single Jewish state in the 1930s (which,
>> sadly, there was not), don't you think Adolf Hitler would have decided to
>> boycott it? Of course he would, and he would not have stopped there. Your
>> generation has a duty to ensure that the perennial racism of anti-Semitism
>> never sets down roots among you. Today, however, there are clear signs
>> that it has done so and is putting down more. You have a chance to avert a
>> very great evil, simply by using reason and a sense of fair play. Please
>> tell me that this makes sense. I have given you some of the evidence. It's
>> up to you to find out more.
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>> Dr. Denis MacEoin



Haystack - 24 Aug 2011 10:23 - 5672 of 6906

If you want to know the true history of Israel and its dreadful behaviour then read this. The whole book is on the web.

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/

This is how Jerusalem Post correspondent Hirsh Goodman described the uprising of Palestinian youth in the West Bank and Gaza in mid-December 1987.

Goodmans remarks were written the day before the December 21, 1987, general strike which engulfed every Palestinian community under Israeli rule. The strike was described by the Israeli daily, Haaretz, as writing on our wall even more serious than the bloody riots of the last two weeks. [2]

On that day, wrote John Kifner in The New York Times, the vast army of Arab laborers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay brick and perform virtually all Israels menial work, stayed home. [3]

The Israeli response to the uprising was brutal. Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin ordered the use of tanks, armored vehicles and automatic rifles against an unarmed population.

The San Francisco Examiner cited Rabin as openly advocating assassination. They can shoot to hit leaders of disorder, Rabin said in defense of the armys practice of using marksmen with high-powered .22-caliber rifles to shoot indiscriminately at Palestinian youth. [4]

Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500 Palestinians were seized, many of them as young as twelve; by the end of January the number reached 4,000 and was rising. [5] The militants were marked for deportation. Israeli high-security jails and detention centers were overflowing. Mass trials of Palestinians were underway.

The act of brutality which most inflamed the Palestinian population was the army seizure of the wounded from hospital beds. This practice, standard procedure throughout the invasion of Lebanon in 1982, made Shifa Hospital in Gaza a center of resistance. Great crowds amassed to defend the wounded, whom, they rightfully feared, would never be seen again.

The youngsters in Gaza and the West Bank where riots erupted, wrote Jerusalem Post correspondent Hirsh Goodman have not received any terrorist training, nor are they members of a terrorist organization. Rather they are members of that Palestinian generation that grew up knowing nothing but occupation. [6]

A mother of a Palestinian man shot three times in the head by Israeli soldiers was asked if she would let her remaining sons join the demonstrations. As long as I am alive, she responded, I am going to teach the young people to fight ... I dont care whatever happens, as long as we get our land. [7]

Rashad Shawaa, deposed Mayor of Gaza, expressed the same sentiment:

The youth have lost hope that Israel will ever give them their rights. They feel the Arab countries are unable to accomplish anything. They feel that the Palestine Liberation Organization (P.L.O.) has failed to achieve a thing. [8]

Los Angeles Times correspondent Dan Fishers account is even more significant:

This new-found sense of unity has been one of the most striking changes to foreign observers and non-Gaza Palestinians ... It is a phenomenon that extends to previous divisions between young and old and between those who work in Israel and those who do not. [9]

TANKER - 24 Aug 2011 10:34 - 5673 of 6906

why is it that all terrorist are muslims and use helpless women and children as bombers . why do they only want war and NOT peace

Haystack - 24 Aug 2011 10:38 - 5674 of 6906

You have a serious gap in your facts.

TANKER - 24 Aug 2011 10:48 - 5675 of 6906

not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorist are muslims and only muslims kill there own women and children for gain

Haystack - 24 Aug 2011 10:57 - 5676 of 6906

There is a long list of terrorists that are not muslims. The other part of your sentence is just nonense.

TANKER - 24 Aug 2011 11:08 - 5677 of 6906

hay why will you not face the facts . gaza does not want peace .

Haystack - 24 Aug 2011 11:11 - 5678 of 6906

Here are just a few non muslim terrorist groups;there are plenty more.

The first is a far right Jewish group banned in Israel and classigfied as terrorists by Israel, Canada, the European Union and the United States.

Kahane Chai (Kach) (Israel)
Aum Shinrikyo (Japan)
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) (Sri Lanka)
Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA) (Philippines)
Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) (United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland)
Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA) (United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland)
Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) (United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland)
Ulster Defence Association (UDA) (United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November (Greece)
Revolutionary Struggle (Greece)
Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) (Turkey)
skadi Ta Askatasuna (Basque Fatherland and Liberty) (ETA) (Spain, France)
National Liberation Army (ELN) (Colombia)
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) (Colombia)
United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) (Colombia)
Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL) (Peru)

mnamreh - 24 Aug 2011 11:30 - 5679 of 6906

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markymar - 26 Aug 2011 13:24 - 5680 of 6906

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