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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

aldwickk - 16 Feb 2015 22:18 - 56668 of 81564

ukip mockumentary says more about the Left wing media attempts to discredit one of the largest political party's in the UK just a few months away from a GE, its nothing more then a smear campaign . It should be reported to the broadcasting authority

MaxK - 16 Feb 2015 22:29 - 56669 of 81564

It wont be tho, classy assasination job...very well done!


Now where does the money come from to do the same for the other 3 parties?

Chris Carson - 17 Feb 2015 00:29 - 56670 of 81564

Ed Balls among 12 shadow cabinet members who claimed expenses without receipts

Following shadow chancellor's advice that everyone should get a receipt for cash in hand jobs, Labour MPs put in spotlight over their expense claims

Ed Balls is among 12 shadow cabinet members who claimed for cash-in-hand jobs without submitting receipts.


Ed Balls and 11 other members of the shadow cabinet claimed expenses for cleaning, gardening or odd jobs without submitting receipts, seriously undermining the shadow chancellor’s advice that we should all insist on invoices for cash-in-hand jobs.


Mr Balls claimed £1,610 for cleaners and his wife Yvette Cooper claimed £2,640 for cleaning and gardening, out of a total of £37,881 claimed by the 12 Labour MPs.





Ed Balls claims expenses for cleaners in 2006


Mr Balls, in common with his 11 colleagues, did not submit a single receipt for the work done, despite his insistence on Monday that he had obtained receipts for every single cash payment since he entered politics 21 years ago.

He had earlier said that even someone who “cuts your hedge for a tenner” should provide an invoice to discourage tax avoidance, and claimed that he had the “name and address and a receipt” for every cash transaction because it was “the right thing to do”.

Amid growing signs of a rift at the top of the Labour Party, Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, appeared to belittle Mr Balls by saying that he wanted to pursue hedge funds for tax avoidance, not hedge cutters.

He said: “I think we’re all clear: the hedge funds and hedge funds dealing with these issues is more important than the hedge cutters and I think that has been a clarity of view right across our Shadow Cabinet.”

Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary, ridiculed Mr Balls’s suggestion, saying: “Here we have a man that would be the Chancellor who is wandering around saying Big Brother is going to watch you carefully that if you do any tax transactions and don't keep receipts, somehow they're going to punish you. I find that absurd.”

A Conservative Party source said: “Ed Balls needs to clean up his act on his own expenses before lecturing others. If he can't even manage his own finances how can he expect anyone to trust him with the nation’s coffers?”

David Cameron said he had occasionally paid for goods and services in cash without getting a receipt, but insisted that he has never helped someone “evade the taxes that they should pay”.

A Downing Street spokesman said: “The onus is on the trader who is responsible for paying the taxes that they owe.”


Vernon Coaker, the shadow defence secretary, claimed £14,950 in unreceipted expenses over a four-year period, comprising £3,425 for cleaning, £6,320 for service and maintenance, and £5,205 for repairs on his second home.

A spokesman for Mr Balls on Monday defended his cleaning claims, saying: “Ed’s cleaner was and continues to be employed on PAYE and paid by bank transfer. These claims were made fully in accordance with the Fees Office rules.”

But there was more embarrassment for Mr Balls as it emerged that he had made basic errors in adding up one of his claims and had filled in his expenses forms incorrectly for months.

In March 2007 he claimed a total of £1,182.14 in expenses for his second home, though the actual total for the items claimed was £100 more.

For eight consecutive months in 2005 and 2006 Mr Balls filled in his expenses forms wrongly, putting each figure one line above where it should have been. It meant that in June 2006 his £70 cleaning bill was not paid because he had entered it under “telephone” and the following month an exasperated official wrote a note on his form saying: “Rang member & asked to fill in form correctly!”

He also submitted that claim twice, and tried to claim £1,298.17 for his mortgage, instead of the £733 he had been claiming until then, resulting in the difference being slashed from his reimbursement.

Mr Balls and Ms Cooper are at least in good company, with almost half the MPs in the shadow cabinet filing unreceipted expenses.

Rosie Winterton, Labour’s chief whip, claimed £8,058 without receipts over the course of four years, comprising £5,280 for cleaning, £2,302 for “repairs”, £300 for service and maintenance and £175 for gardening.

In July 2008 the parliamentary Fees Office - which at the time scrutinised MPs’ expenses - wrote to her to express concerns about her spending

TANKER - 17 Feb 2015 07:43 - 56671 of 81564

Osborne uses tax avoidance and is home is in trust , the man is a liar and a crook and looking at him is he also on drugs

cynic - 17 Feb 2015 08:26 - 56672 of 81564

much more entertainingly i am sure ...... did anyone watch the UKIP mockumentary last night?

i didn't, but would like to know what it was like

MaxK - 17 Feb 2015 08:39 - 56673 of 81564

I saw most of it c.

Very slick, major production, must have cost a packet.

All to do with immigration, nothing at all about €urope and the reasons for ukip existing.


Still, I think it will backfire judging by comment in the newspapers.


What wasn't mentioned tho, was the usual metro elite shananigans:



Director of UKIP Smear ‘Mockumentary’ In Court For Tax Fraud


by A.B. Sanderson 16 Feb 2015



The director of a controversial spoof documentary on Nigel Farage and UKIP will be appearing in Southwark Crown Court on Friday of this week, charged with cheating the public revenue.

Chris Atkins, a journalist and film-maker who gave evidence to the Leveson Inquiry, is accused of perpetrating a £2.5 million tax fraud plot along with twelve others. The Crown Prosecution Service say he was involved in a complex five-year scam to cheat the taxman, including seven investment bankers, the Ham and High reported at the time.

Mr Atkins directed the controversial programme which has caused anger amongst the party’s supporters before it has even been aired for featuring race riots and a melt down in the country after 100 days of a UKIP government being in power.

The plot is timed three months into Britain’s first UKIP government where pubs are filled again with smokers, border guards are forcibly repatriating illegal immigrants and there are race riots on the street. Border police storm Indian restaurants, while neo-Nazi gangs are seen supporting the party, which for years has banned any member of an extremist political organisation including the BNP and Hope Not Hate, from being members of the libertarian organisation.



More: hTtp://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/16/exclusive-director-of-ukip-smear-mockumentary-in-court-for-tax-fraud/

cynic - 17 Feb 2015 08:40 - 56674 of 81564

backfire on whom?

MaxK - 17 Feb 2015 08:43 - 56675 of 81564

The power elite c, who else?

Think Thornberry.

MaxK - 17 Feb 2015 08:46 - 56676 of 81564

the horror, the horror


cynic - 17 Feb 2015 08:47 - 56677 of 81564

wtf is/was thornberry?

MaxK - 17 Feb 2015 08:59 - 56678 of 81564

A typical everyday millionaire labour luvvy hypocrite mp, soon to be dispatched to the wilderness.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832

cynic - 17 Feb 2015 09:22 - 56679 of 81564

oh her ...... a very stupid and instantly forgettable storm in a teacup

ExecLine - 17 Feb 2015 09:37 - 56680 of 81564



I thought this cartoon was utterly brilliant and serves to put some delightful humour and scorn into the 'no receipts - observe the behaviour and attitudes of politicians' affair currently being displayed in the media in the pre-election war between the parties.

Not only do they Ed Balls and Ed Miliband bang in their expenses claims for £hundreds of pounds year after year, without receipted substantiation so as to recoup every last miserly penny and more besides, but they also roll their properties to avoid CGT like the best of them:

Quote:

Mr Miliband met Miss Thornton in 2002. In the following years, they owned separate flats. He originally had an apartment on Chalcot Square but sold this for £342,000 in 2005, before buying a flat on nearby Chalcot Road about a year later for £648,500.

It is not known where Mr Miliband, then 36, lived in the intervening months.

But Miss Thornton owned a flat in Maida Vale. This was sold for £680,000 in March 2008, with Miss Thornton paying no capital gains tax. A Labour spokesman has said this is because it was her primary residence.

Yet when Mr Miliband sold his flat on Chalcot Road for £740,000 in December 2009, he did not pay capital gains tax either, as he claimed this was his primary residence. This is despite the fact that five months earlier Miss Thornton – an environmental law expert on around £200,000 a year – had bought for £1.6 million the family home near Hampstead Heath where they now live. She had also given birth to their first son Daniel earlier that year, in June 2009.

They were able to avoid the tax in part because they were unmarried. Mr Miliband and Miss Thornton became engaged in 2010 and married a year later.

Miss Thornton, however, is still registered as the sole owner of their four-bedroom Victorian property for reasons that are unclear.

Tory MP Andrew Bridgen said Mr Miliband’s family’s deed of variation was clearly designed to cut inheritance tax and condemned the Labour leader’s denial of this. He added: ‘Ed Miliband should now publish this deed of variation that he is currently hiding away and be as open about his own tax affairs as he demands others to be. The public can then judge for themselves.’

cynic - 17 Feb 2015 10:33 - 56681 of 81564

this whole board has completely gone to sleep

for sure the market itself is surprisingly (be)calm(ed) given the continuing unrest in ukraine + greece, but it also shows just how much input came from GF, DB and Hays (hope he hasn't fallen off his yacht)

VICTIM - 17 Feb 2015 10:45 - 56682 of 81564

I wonder if Hays just didn't want the continual hassle what with the Election so near . He may be quite an activist on the Cons part.

cynic - 17 Feb 2015 10:48 - 56683 of 81564

that did cross my mind ..... it would be a shame if he too has disappeared

i'd also forgotten about shortie, who just got cheesed off with the abuse he got from some quarters and also felt strongly that GF (in particular) was "foolishly" treated by the management

jimmy b - 17 Feb 2015 10:55 - 56684 of 81564

What abuse did shortie get ?? i don't actually know why he left , shame though ..

cynic - 17 Feb 2015 11:04 - 56685 of 81564

i think DB in particular kept having a pop at him, but i may have got the person wrong

Fred1new - 17 Feb 2015 11:20 - 56686 of 81564

Perhaps you should reflect on the Europhobes in the Fascist or UKIP loby party:

I saw the White van heroes as the typical football hooligans who would be at home in the UKIP band.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6469078/MPs-expenses-Bernard-Jenkins-wife-had-holiday-home-while-he-claimed-for-other-house.html

MPs' expenses: Bernard Jenkin's wife had holiday home while he claimed for other house
The wife of Bernard Jenkin, the senior Conservative MP, rented out a holiday home in his constituency while he claimed £63,000 in expenses to live in her sister's house, it can be disclosed.

By Jon Swaine and Martin Beckford8:00AM GMT 31 Oct 2009

Mr Jenkin, a former shadow defence secretary, was left with the biggest repayment bill of all MPs following the audit by Sir Thomas Legg of parliamentary expenses claims since 2004.

The MP for North Essex was told to give back the £1,000 a month in public funds he paid Mary Fraser, the sister of his wife Anne, to rent her farmhouse as his “second home”.
Mr Jenkin said the arrangement was approved by Commons officials and that the rent charged by his sister-in-law was “somewhat less” than market rate, meaning that taxpayers got a good deal.
Yet today it can be disclosed that the Jenkins also own and rent out a seaside holiday home nearby. The house, which is registered in Mrs Jenkin’s name, is listed on tourist websites as being available for £650 a week in high season.
While the holiday home, which is advertised as housing six people, is in Mr Jenkin's constituency, the farmhouse he designated as his second home is in the neighbouring seat of Braintree, represented by his Tory colleague Brooks Newmark.
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The holiday home cost £150,000 when bought in August 2004. If its entire value was mortgaged, it is unlikely that the monthly interest payments on the loan – which Mr Jenkin could have claimed on expenses – would have totalled £1,000 a month.
The disclosure therefore raises the question of why Mr Jenkin needed to bill taxpayers for a second home outside his constituency when he could have lived more cheaply inside it.
Mr Jenkin yesterday said: "The fact that I am an MP does not preclude my wife from running her own business. She acquired a small two-bed holiday let property on a buy-to-let mortgage. It would not have been appropriate to claim taxpayers' money to pay my wife's mortgage on a holiday home.
Of the farmhouse, he said: "We needed to rent a family home with easy access to London and to all parts of my constituency, one of the the largest rural constituencies in Essex, and near to my wife's elderly mother. This arrangement with my sister-in-law was openly agreed in writing by the House of Commons Fees Office."
The controversial living arrangements of Mr Jenkin, who has been an MP since 1992, were disclosed earlier this year during The Daily Telegraph’s investigation into MPs’ expenses.
He claimed the farmhouse owned by his sister-in-law was his "second home" while designating a house in London that he shared with his wife as his "main home".
Since 2006, MPs have been banned from entering into financial arrangements with family members, yet Mr Jenkin continued to do so until August this year.
In the course of his audit Sir Thomas, a retired senior civil servant, has also said that agreements with family members dating back to 2004 are "tainted" and should not have been allowed.
This has left Mr Jenkin with a £63,000 bill. The MP has appealed against the ruling, insisting he was not aware of the rule change and was assured by Commons officials that the arrangement was acceptable.
The farmhouse, which is near Chelmsford, is owned outright by Mrs Fraser, Mrs Jenkin’s older sister, who lives at Moniack Castle near Inverness, which has been in her husband’s family since 1580.
On the other side of a lane from the farmhouse is a historic country house owned equally by Mrs Fraser and Mrs Jenkin, where their mother lives.
Mrs Jenkin, a PR consultant, went out with Richard Curtis, the screenwriter, while the pair were studying at Oxford University.Curtis has said that Mrs Jenkin, his first proper girlfriend, broke his heart.
He has included an idiotic character called “Bernard” in many of television series and films, including Blackadder and Four Weddings and a Funeral, prompting Mr Jenkin to accuse him of being "eaten up with jealousy that I got the girl".


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Why he wasn't prosecuted I cannot understand?

But reading about "Finks" and Tory slush funds I understand!

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No wonder the Church are questioning the morality of the Cons Party who for me are using the techniques of Goebbels when they blamed the Jews for the problems of Germany and vilified them along with the weakest or most defenceless in society.


The present tory party are living up to the name of the "Nasty Party". Personally there is a stench around their present leadership.

But perhaps they are offering the right wing voters what they wish for.



aldwickk - 17 Feb 2015 13:06 - 56687 of 81564

Fred , now a working class/retired snob

Fred's new pin up girl

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