So Bernie gets his free place in a secure retirement home, but where is the money. Perhaps the feds should start digging on Mt Sion?

halifax .... your failure to recognise objective logic should come as a surprise to me, but it doesn't

JKDthat is me matesaid without any malice or venom.just expressive in a cockney type of way.you take me too seriouslyas do most on here surely 30 all.and isnt tennis a funny old game.you get two points and they give you 28 more for nothing. Is tennis a Jewish game?and finally just as a raphow about Halifax and Cynic calling it a goalless drawyou both have a point but your pencils are blunt I really must have another drink.

blimey t
you really are so so slippery. us cockneys just luv those jellied eels. oh. and dont forget the mash. no malice no venom. 40/15 not going to post anymore as you always seem to sidetrack everyone away from the main topic which coincidently always seems to suit you, so. last post.
regards
jkd

JKDtrue to form.and the favourite gets beat..last touch!!!
Regards
Tabasco

not quite,
40/15 is actually my serve for match. will serve it when needed. i have that ace just awaiting, what an ace ,
regards
jkd

its a shame this new thread has turned so bitter so quickly............for the record, i find cynic interesting, sometimes informative and always entertaining.

good luck cyners

JKDNew Balls!

thanks marni, though i think even i, the suave statesman, may have upset you on some occasion in the past on a different thread ...... no doubt told you a stock you were raving about was a crock of shit! ...... Coffee Republic maybe

Actually, I think cynic is occaisionally interesting, but for an individual who wishes to be seen as "objective" he very emotional and is easy to bait.

Fred ..... not by you; after a while i'm afraid i just found you repetitive and boring

OH! 8-)

This is my opinion, dealing with Jewish people in business for over 30 years. Most jews tend to look down on none jews, they are arrogent, big headed, and have this I am superior air to themselves. A lot of jews who I have dealt with in business are thieving, lying, money grabbing types, and most of what has happened to their kind through the ages has been brought upon themselves for trying to F*** people.

The reason for writing this thread is to emphasise Madoff's deliberate exploitation of his jewish faith in cheating mainly jews out of their money. Most of those interviewed on CNBC and elsewhere are ordinary hard working people some elderly retired folk now verging on being destitute. It is too late for many of these people to learn lessons from this "crime of the century" unless Maoff repents by disclosing where the stolen money can be located.

this is turning into one of those rather nasty racist and heavy right wing threads, masquerading as some sort of moral crusade that we sadly see on this BB from time.

shame on the perpetrators, for of course this is how uninformed bigotry and prejudice is perpetuated down the generations.

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if halifax and a couple of others were more honest in their approach, they would leave out the jewish angle, for in truth (sic!) it is irrelevant

I wondered when cynic would play the race card.

it plays itself, rather as your own reaction did.
it is most noticeable how you and halifax are (totally?) unwilling - incapable would not be the truth - to post your inheritently valid point(s) without incorporating the (irrelevant) jewish angle.

the whole discussion is therefore diminished in its content and suspect in its claim to be seeking after the truth or similar.

cynic posted nasty racist and heavy right wing threads

Hardly played itself my boy

oh really?
please elucidate

at the same time perhaps you could inform us all how harping on about Madoff's jewish extraction enhances the discussion concerning his crime

Cynic,

I thought on one occasion, you claimed to be objective and yet when you read any criticism of Israel, Judaism or anybody of "Jewish origin", whether the latter is either racial or religious origin, you tend to be hypersensitive and quite often respond abusing the writer rather than the refuting facts which are stated.

Many think you are being deliberately unpleasant. (Which is your right.)

However, although, I don't like the tone of the thread and the remarks of Clubman, I "think" that Madoff pertained to be a Jew and probably, and the largest group of people, who Madoff abused, were Jewish. This would be as expected as ones friends, acquaintances and business colleagues, in a foreign country are usually firstly drawn from ones own culture.

I feel you, and one or two others, are all too often responding with a commonly heard chant, when anyone raises a criticism of anything Jewish or of Jewish origins.

Being critical of somebodys action, is not necessarily the same as trying diminishing or devalue the person


I recall working for/with one Jew, who I thought was a very unpleasant individual, while another Jew a few years later, offered me a contract, far more honest and reasonable than others in the same position.

Fred .... a small part of your post is correct, but overall you still fail to grasp the point i have made on 2/3 occasions here.

Madoff's plausibility came through his very successful and legitimate business background of setting up one of the most successful MM businesses in USA and also through being non-exec chairman of Nasdaq

that Madoff was jewish was pretty much irrelevant, other than it opened doors for him in the jewish community, who of course were far from being the only victims.

how and why SEC chose to ignore all the evidence put before them (perhaps) 10 years ago remains to be exposed, though i am sure it will be in due course

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overall, i wonder if Madoff was really the most successful con man the world has ever seen.

The South Sea Company, admittedly a corporation, would surely have made him look an amateur in financial terms, and for sheer audacity, the likes of Gregor MacGregor and Victor Lustig, to name just two, could probably have taught Madoff a thing or two.