mr mike
- 21 Jan 2004 13:49
Tanfield Group is the new company name of Comeleon. As I understand it, Comoleon was getting into trouble so TAN (paerent company?) took over. Since this has happened the share price has dropped by 0.25p each day for the last week or so (on average) and are now around the 3p mark with very little activity.
Does anyone know much about this company or previously held stock in Comeleon? There is virtually no info out there other than on the company website.
cheers
Mike
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 09:58
- 570 of 1076
I hate to depress you rf but IMO this is going down short term to 70 -80p.
Great company though and all other things being equal will be 150-200p within the year.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 10:01
- 571 of 1076
That will cheer cynic and myself up no end thanks !
kimoldfield
- 22 Apr 2008 10:02
- 572 of 1076
I have to agree with W H Ireland's view with the exception of "This cash burn is not sustainable for much longer", IMO the cash burn will not continue if TAN's order book continues to be as strong as it is. I view the share as a 'hold' rather than a sell.
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 10:07
- 573 of 1076
Sorry. Hope I'm wrong.
hlyeo98
- 22 Apr 2008 10:09
- 574 of 1076
Sell before the news...that's the moral of the story.
dealerdear
- 22 Apr 2008 10:11
- 575 of 1076
Total agreement with you h. Particularly in this market.
PapalPower
- 22 Apr 2008 10:16
- 576 of 1076
In case anyone missed it, this was the Daniel Stewart update today on TAN :
Tanfield - HOLD
Price: 106p Target price: 95p
Code: TAN.L Analyst: Mike Stoddart | 0161 830 1892
Strong growth in sales but poor cash flow and disclosure.
Pre-tax profit came in at 12.4m or 13.7m if we add back the re-organisation costs shown in the P/L. This compares with consensus numbers (according to Hemscott) of 15.8m. The shortfall, according to the company, is due to a couple of "one-offs" in the 2007 numbers; a freehold improvement of 3.2m was written off in the period whereas the company had expected to be allowed to capitalise it; a development project in Electric Vehicles which had been capitalised in the H1 results, had to be written off at a cost of 1.6m. There were offsetting releases in the tax line from R&D tax credits so EPS was in line with forecasts at 3.6p.
Cashflow was poor and worse than we expected. There was a working capital outflow of 42m in the period which resulted in a cash outflow from operations of 29m. We would be cautious of Tanfield until this shows signs of stability.
Forecasts - Company guidance is that they are not sure that there needs to be much change to forecasts for 2008. However, in Electric Vehicles, Q1 production (146 vehicles) plus current firm orders (523 vehicles) adds up to 669 vehicles which is 39% below some of the forecasts in the market. We fear that current consensus of c42m pre-tax profit may need to be cut later in the year.
Disclosure is poor: there is no disclosure of the divisional split of profits between Electric Vehicles and Powered Access; there is no disclosure of the contribution from Snorkel.
kimoldfield
- 22 Apr 2008 10:20
- 577 of 1076
Thanks PP. A good analysis of the present situation.
Fred1new
- 22 Apr 2008 10:22
- 578 of 1076
With markets like this, the wise have already jumped and having the patience to wait for the turmoil to stop.
Seemingly good results are being pummeled by shorters and short term traders knowing that they can frightened the market, jump on short term movements.
I think that over a two year period with projected earnings and seemingly a good product this company will provide exeptional growth and returns for longterm holders will be good.
I would not be surprised to see the sp up after further digestion of todays figures.
But I am a medium or longterm holder of some companies.
Fred1new
- 22 Apr 2008 10:27
- 579 of 1076
Actually, just been checking the intraday charts, which would suggest to me that with the trade volumes dropping with the sp drop that there is going to be a rebound in the price over the next few hours.
I am not trading this share and hold at the moment more than 50000 of them in SIPPS.
BAYLIS
- 22 Apr 2008 11:10
- 580 of 1076
Manganese Bronze Holdings, the maker of the iconic London black taxi, said it has signed an agreement with Tanfield Group Plc.
cynic
- 22 Apr 2008 11:40
- 581 of 1076
at 98 i really am having great difficulty in not trying to catch the falling knife
700202
- 22 Apr 2008 12:00
- 582 of 1076
cynic I can understand I bought 2 lots 1st 10k @104p and I have just bought another 20k @ 96.75 .
I thought the results where fine ,I cannot understand the drop.
Good luck
skyhigh
- 22 Apr 2008 12:08
- 583 of 1076
after all the hype the results below expectations in relation to cash burn etc, (there's a wiff that they might have to raise more money in the short term) and there's been a "sell" note released this morning as well..
I'm continuing to hold having bought in a few months ago at 89p... these will recover slowly when the dust has settled and more deals/contracts have been announced (all imho)
Stan
- 22 Apr 2008 12:08
- 584 of 1076
Cash burn? when ever I here that I think of Biofuels ...just musing -):
hlyeo98
- 22 Apr 2008 12:12
- 585 of 1076
93p now.
required field
- 22 Apr 2008 12:17
- 586 of 1076
Just ridiculous now !
kimoldfield
- 22 Apr 2008 12:19
- 587 of 1076
And still going down. Overdone now IMO. TAN repaid a 14.9m bank loan and increased cash & cash equivalent by 14.4m during the period. That's ok in my book.
hlyeo98
- 22 Apr 2008 12:22
- 588 of 1076
WH Ireland thinks they are not performing.
skyhigh
- 22 Apr 2008 12:33
- 589 of 1076
wow ! 89p...how low can it go ? must be bargain basement sp by now ?