Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I bet he is ,driving his electric car around Brighton at 20 miles per hour and then paying £400 to park for 2 hours .

He should have had a barrow with him!

Fred1new Send an email to Fred1new View Fred1new's profile - 02 Mar 2015 16:00 - 57167 of 57180

How many "poms" are there in France, Spain, Portugal, Austria and Swiz?
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Fred i asked what you meant yesterday ?
Did you mean how many brits live in those countries ?

JB,

Did notice.

Just think of the remark in relationship to your post: jimmy b - 02 Mar 2015 09:01 - 57131

"Strange to see those protests in Margate last week ,everyone calling Farage a racist ,all he's preaching is that we don't have room for another 300k people this year ,
that's enough to fill another city" .

Have we got room for another 300 thousand this year ? and next year ?

Several million Brits won't be going to live in East Europe , if your comment is about Brits living in those countries you mention it does not balance up .

fred's utopia has elastic sides and bottomless pits of money

while we may not be able to stop eu transmigration, we can and assuredly should control non-eu immigration
that said, i think teresa may is nuts to throw out graduates without giving them a time-limited chance to find a job afterwards

all this mess is down to people like my father stopping hitler but he died invane

Fred how many Brits have gone to live in Poland / Romania / Bulgaria / ? and how many of us will go and live in the Balkan countries waiting to join ?

And then you have TANKERS islam state in the UK as well ,it's a mess .

post 57180 -----I think Fred is beginning to see the light advising us to vote Tory.
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JB,

Are you objecting to just East Europeans?

One of my daughters worked in Poland for 3 years.

The Poles didn't object.

The majority of emigrants are economic migrants and give to the country they "invade" more than than they take out of it.

Another daughter worked in Spain for 4 years.

Another worked in France and America for 3-4 years

Another "worked" in France and Canada for years and then invaded Australia and runs a business importing and exporting to Europe for 15 years.

None have been called "scum" or foreign "bs" or blamed for the failings if the visited countries government's failings.

The economy is now world wide, many people move around, chasing the buck or looking for a change of life style.

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Ps My father-in- law was a political refugee from "communism" and gave far more to "UK society" which accepted him, than many of its indigenous population.

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Are there problems with rapid mass movement of population. Yes

Are there a small number of abusers in the numbers entering this country? Yes.

Those abusers, are at the "property laden oligarchs" in the larger towns, those hiding their "cash" in "deposit" boxes in London and not those hoping for decent living accommodation and perhaps a job .

Should some of these problems be addressed? Yes

Through negotiation in EU, etc,.

Because if the UK doesn't accept the "concept of free movement of labour" they will be excluded from economic negotiations of Europe, which will have consequences. (Forced repatriations?????~)

Should, immigration be controlled? Yes, but the "problem" should not demonised and turned in to a political ball to kick around and held responsible for personal or governmental policies failings.

We maybe making them responsible for our own personal ineptitudes.

Is that sufficient!

watched the programme last night on benefits , treating the disabled like I watched last night was a dam disgrace I do not like scroungers but not treat the disabled is not good

Fred , for a start i never called anyone coming here scum ,so remove that bit .

The type of countries you are talking about we have all moved around for years ,i would guess it was fairly even the comings and goings .

We do have a massive problem with with rapid mass movement of population and i have not alluded to abusers ,my problem is the jobs for our young people and the strain on schools the NHS and other services.
We cannot take 300 thousand people a year ,not even good people .
I don't blame the the people coming here ,i would do the same if i was in their shoes .
And finally no i'm not just objecting to East Europeans .

JB.

I didn't suggest you did use the word "scum" in relation to "immigrants".

It was used by a poster I would consider an "idiot".

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(This posting it not aimed directly at you.)


However, read the remainder of your post and the inferences which may be "read" into it.

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Immigration as all subjects need to be discussed and possibly planned for.

There are consequences, but some of the said results being spotlighted are false conclusions and being utilised as "totem poles" to engender hatred and for "political" advantage, similar to using those on "welfare" or "social benefits" etc..

To me it is unpleasant and not aimed at addressing the causes or reasons for the real problem and simply attacking the symptoms of the problems for short sighted "personal benefit".

The "rhetoric" gives short term satisfaction.

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Check the real effects on the economy of the UK and the functions many immigrants perform in society.

I would be happy to come out of Europe ,

WE CAN NOT TAKE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NEW IMMIGRANTS EACH YEAR !!!

fred - i'm very surprised that you remain so sanguine at the thought and indeed actuality of some 300k immigrants a year
for fairly obvious reasons, and it is a matter of record, i would never want to block ALL immigration, but in today's economic climate, it needs to be curtailed and very significantly
rather crassly and not entirely accurately, one could comment that charity begins at home

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btw, it should not be forgotten that even during the war and probably even after, jewish refugees and no doubt others had to have guarantors that they would not be a strain on the economy

victims found

As many as 373 children may have been targeted for sex by gangs of men in Oxfordshire in the last 16 years, a serious case review found.

The investigation came after a sadistic sex gang of seven men were jailed in 2013 for abusing six girls in Oxford, between 2004 and 2012.

Thames Valley Police and Oxfordshire County Council made "many errors" in that case and could have acted sooner.

A victim of the gang said the issue had been "swept under the carpet".

Of the 373 cases, the council said victims had included a small number of boys.
the race card again stopped police and councillors from speaking out

why are they allowed the race card

oxford
Rotherham
wellington
Rochdale
burnley
London
Bradford
Manchester

the list goes on

these people think it is normal to rape children that is their culture
we do not want their culture it is vile

"charity begins at home"

Should it?

Isn't it often confused with "short term self interest".

AID Aid to Sierra Leone to treat Ebola (or its equivalent) may in the in the long term prevent its arrival at Dover.

Ie. mutual gain EU, leads to less attention being paid to the "needs of the country which jumps", but not to the effects on the defecting country.

Putin, Orland, Merkel negotiations comes to mind.

Fragmentation of EU foreign policy comes to mind with weakness in dealing with Russia and distrust leading to "minor" countries losing faith in the organisation.

( That doesn't indicate that individual countries shouldn't express discord.)

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Immigration is World problem and carping by the "disillusioned" or those looking for excuses for their own failings does not effectively address the problem.


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Also, many of your ancestors immigrating to this country in earlier periods were penniless and aided by others (including those not of their own) when they came to the UK. Ie, Charity to others.

lighten up fred!

when "my ancestors" came to this country around 1900, economic help only came from their fellow brethren
mind you, my mother's father i think it was, got dumped in L'pool having paid for stowage (or whatever cheapest form was called) to NY and being conned into believing that was where they were

Think, perhaps, he should have been dumped over board.

It would have save me some problems.

8-)

But I am a little irritated by knee jerk and simplistic solutions to problems which don't consider the consequences of seemingly "emotionally appealing solutions".

And beware, I am interested in thanatology!

9-)

fred - why do "we" have to worry about your assessment that immigation is a "world problem"?

mock as much as you like, paint your utopian picture as often as you like, but the hard fact remains that at this time, uk does not have the economy, infrastructure and, above all, the populace's will or wish to continue with immigration on the current massive scale

you may not like that hard assessment, but it is a matter of fact, especially the last bit .... face up to it

i trust your interest is primarily for yourself .... in simple terms, the worms and maggots will have you, if they have not started already