Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Yep, didn't someone say (I wonder who........) "some of his best friends" were Jewish?

No comments about Channel 4 news tonight?
How Hamas shot people who asked them not to shoot at Israelis from their houses?
One man was punished for asking them that by his son being shot in the legs.
How anyone with suspected Fatah sympathies has been rounded up and accused of being Israeli spies?
How people spoke about Hamas atrocities against their own people provided their identities were hidden?
But then I don't accept everything or anything I see on C4 or BBC the way others do automatically..........unless of course it's anti-Israel in which case it must be true.......huh?
And the man who said he was a Hamas supporter and next year his son - standing there - was going to be given to Hamas. The father said it was his fervent wish his son would be killed - a shehad ("martyr").
Oh yes, good negotiating partners, huh?
Richard

So now we see the real war crimes. And the identities of the people who systemicaly and deliberately kill and maim moderate and peaceful Palestinian civilians.

Charts or Gausie, I thought one of you was writing under a pseudonym.

I missed Channel 4 news, but with have a look tomorrow.

Was is propaganda as per usual?

What was the background scenery like?

Fred1new or MrAshleyJames - I think of you in the same way. When's the next Birmingham meet?

:o)

i didn't see the news last night, but i think i saw that BBC are not now showing a film asking for charitable donations to Gaza lest they (BBC) lose their reputation for impartiality.

hmm! .... BBC has always been alleged to be slanted to being anti-israel and/or pro-arab as has the UK establishment in general.

so who does one believe?
Telegraph is heavily right wing and one doesn't even mention the likes of the Guardian ...... tabloids are OK for pretty girls and articles on fashion.

the answer of course is no one, and the easiest solution being a (virulent) pox on both their houses!

on a marginally more serious note, perhaps i should have the same discussion with my m8 in israel as i did with another (palestinian) in abu dhabi .... both are sensible and "real" people with brains

Honest Reporting
just a very banal example of how reporting can be misleading.....

yesterday evening there was a news clip about how the recession was even hitting wealthy towns like marlow.
the main location for filming was outside a shut down pub in the high street, which was held up as a typical example.
fact - this pub closed down due as being unsafe due to structural problems - subsidence or similar.
focus then moved across to a top-class jeweller over the road, which has also closed down.
again, nothing to do with the recession, but because their lease expired and they did not like the new terms ..... they also have a couple of branches elsewhere.

so while it is true that there are a good number of empty shops (and offices) in marlow that have indeed been forced into liquidation - e.g. viyella, wittards and several small indies - the examples chosen were false but made for a better story

cynic, Caroline Thomson (BBC CEO) has defended their position by stating that they would lose the trust of the veiwing public if they aired the clip. She basically said that natural disasters would pass unquestioned, but something as political as Gaza is a risk that the BBC cannot afford top take. Their stance is correct imo.

Re Marlow, you'll know its serious when every other building is a takeaway or bookies. :)

ladbroke's was clearly that and has shut!
btw, i did not say BBC's stance was incorrect re Gaza film

cynic, i didn't think you did. I was expecting a response from Fred slating my opinion. One other point, I do object to Douglas Alexander sticking his nose in. The BBC should be completely isolated (or at the very least seen to be) from political pressure.

sorry to be totally ignorant, but who is Douglas Alexander?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Alexander

Make your own minds up.


BBC urged to transmit Gaza appeal
Douglas Alexander
The BBC's argument is not credible, says Douglas Alexander

The BBC has again been urged to reconsider its decision not to broadcast a charity appeal for Gaza.

International Development Secretary Douglas Alexander said it was not too late for a reversal to recognise the "immense human suffering".

A protest is to be held outside Broadcasting House in London after the BBC declined to broadcast appeals by the Disasters Emergency Committee.

The BBC said it would not compromise its commitment to impartiality.

Mr Alexander said: "I think the British public ... can distinguish between support for humanitarian aid and perceived partiality in a conflict.

"I really struggle to see in the face of the immense human suffering of people in Gaza... that this is in any way a credible argument.

"They still have time to make a different judgement to recognise the immense human suffering."


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He also said people may become concerned that the suffering of people in Gaza was not taken as seriously as suffering in other conflicts.

BBC Director-General Mark Thompson turned down the request to broadcast the appeal, saying it might jeopardise the public's confidence in the BBC's impartiality.

His comments were echoed by the BBC's chief operating officer, Caroline Thomson, who said it is important to take all these decisions very seriously.

She said: "I think what we do for the disaster emergency committee in giving air time for appeals is unique in the BBC... giving time on behalf of a body to appeal for things is a decision that has to be taken very, very carefully.


As far as being impartial is concerned, that's our job
Geoffrey Dennis
Care International

BBC defends Gaza decision

"In the case of natural disasters it's straight forward... in the case of man made disasters and wars the issue is much, much more complicated.

"The most important thing we can do for the people who are suffering is carrying on reporting it and we've done exemplary work in reporting the suffering of the people of Gaza.

"If we lose the trust of the audience by appearing, however curious it may seem, to support one side rather than another then we will have lost it for the charities themselves as well as everyone else."

Military action

Shadow international development secretary Andrew Mitchell said the decision to broadcast was "completely" a matter for the BBC.

But he said the appeal should be aired so the public can decide whether to support it.

ITV and Sky have also said they will not show the appeal, with an ITV spokesman saying that no consensus could be reached.

The Disasters Emergency Committee - an umbrella organisation for several major aid charities - said it was disappointed its request to run TV and radio appeals was turned down.


Disasters Emergency Committee Gaza humanitarian appeal:
Launched by UK charities on 22 January to raise money for Gaza aid relief and reconstruction
Participants: Action Aid, British Red Cross, Cafod, Care International, Christian Aid, Concern Worldwide, Help the Aged, Islamic Relief, Merlin, Oxfam, Save the Children, Tearfund, World Vision
Tel: 0370 60 60 900 or go to DEC website

It wanted to raise funds for people in need of food, shelter and medicines as a result of Israel's military action in the Palestinian area.

Geoffrey Dennis, chief executive of the global humanitarian group Care International, said it was not a time for politics.

"As far as being impartial is concerned, that's our job... we know exactly what we are doing on the ground, there are a lot of people in real danger at the moment," he said.

"Fifty per cent of the population in Gaza are under the age of 18, they're not interested in the politics in this, they want to go to school and play football like my son."

"We don't get involved in the politics, we are saying as all of the major aid agencies in the UK... we need to help these people that are really suffering."

Veteran politician Tony Benn, who will speak at the protest at Broadcasting House, said the corporation's position made no sense.


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He told BBC Radio 4: "There's been an absolute crisis in Gaza, you can't allow the BBC to say if we help people who are dying we are going to be engaged in controversy."

Mr Benn will address the pro-Palestinian rally called by the Stop the War Coalition, and is expected to say the BBC's refusal is a "betrayal" of its obligations.

Following Mr Benn's speech, the demonstrators intend to march to Trafalgar Square via Downing Street.

What are you rambling on about now?

What gems of common sense are you trying to purvey?

Mr Benn will address the pro-Palestinian rally ..... and that is exactly why BBC should not show

Perhaps, you haven't noticed that this piece has not been edited by me.

Just placed it on the board to help inform you.

You might gain a more balanced opinion.

Balanced opinion?
That's not something you claim familiarity with, surely ?!

Obama, take away the pain in my stomach
(A letter from an Israeli woman)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcGm-gxmxHw