Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

I really can't be bothered to argue with any one in cyber space but i do like MAM and i have posted here for a very long time however i do take exception to be compared with someone who believes in the holocaust .

Even more to the point is if you knew about my life and the type of people i have worked/spent time with ,very few were white British .

jimmy - i THINK you made a typo .... please re-read, or least that post does not otherwise make much sense

In what way ? the only typo i made was that i didn't insult Fred !!

I hope he leaves my Mam out of it, or Dad maybe annoyed.

surely the holocaust was so-named by the survivors and others after the event

to hitler and his henchmen, it was merely the final solution to the "jewish question" and others who were deemed to fall into that sub-human category

Alright cynic don't get technical on me now .

i pretty much guessed what you were trying to say, though hadn't followed the nonsense ..... as fred knows, i can't be bothered with his silly diatribes, though occasionally he posts something sensible and interesting

we should put fred, MrT and mentor in the same room and only let out the last survivor .... it shouldn't take long :-)

jimmy b:

You say, at post 57431 above:

".......i have posted here for a very long time however i do take exception to be compared with someone who believes in the holocaust ."

Well, jimmy b, I for one believe that the 'holocaust', namely a genocide in which approximately six million Jews were killed by the Nazi regime and its collaborators, actually happened and is a factual and well documented proven event.

I also understand, that an additional five million non-Jewish victims of Nazi mass murders are included by some historians.

This would bringing the total of people exterminated by the Nazi regime to something around approximately eleven million.

These killings took place throughout Nazi Germany and German-occupied territories and primarily during the period 1941 to 1945.

So....

What on earth do you mean?

i think fred may have compared jimmy to hitler, but i admit jimmy's post was slightly ambiguous

Manuel,

Sometimes, you are remind me of the village idiot who has just arrived outside the court of law, baying to the mob the accused should be hanged the accused, without having heard, or read the evidence, and without realising the “accused” had been found not guilty, exonerated and released.

But, seemingly, information is not you a criteria which you need in order for you to form an opinion.

Carry on scanning.
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JB,

Your post contained

“My point was Fred that we are swamped with immigrants more than defending any party ...
And you can see we are !!!! millions !!!!!


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Right,

First, walk up to a West Indian in Handsworth Birmingham and say to him “you lot are swamping the UK”.


He/she may say to you, "that is very Inflammatory of you", or laugh at you thinking you are joking, or even react differently.

Secondly pinpointing making scapegoats of a group in society, often provokes dysfunction which backfires on all of society.

That was one the methods of the Fascist and Mosely used in the 30s to obtain “power”.

Many see it as being used by UKIP, BNP and far right to gain political influence at the moment. Also, the constant “harping” about welfare “scroungers” and “workshy” bandied about and encouraged by IDS and cronies is conflating different problem and inflaming the situation.


Emotionally appealing, but is rewarding.
Hence my reason for suggesting “reflect”.

I was not suggesting that you are a fascist, but perhaps suggesting you may be a little blind to the effect of words chosen.

I also think that "immigration" has problems surrounding it which need to be addressed in sensible and coordinated way.


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Bur for now check the figures of those supposed “immigrants” who came in and out of the country.

Check the number of “students” who came into, but not registered leaving.

Check the number of expats coming home.

Etc.

A lot of the figures used are fictitious and the Border Control and Immigration Service departments have had their work force slashed by the present government.
But their figures are questionable.

Etc.
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Sometimes we are led blindly by the nose.
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I hope you have a better day to-morrow.

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Exec,

Total casualties of WW2 has been assessed as more than 80 million.

fred - are you actually suggesting that the number of immigrants has not and is not increasing dramatically?

For those of you questioning me ,i must admit i did get my words mixed up .
Fred referred to me as having the same views of 1930's Germany or Hitler .
Execline i don't know why you had to chip in as you could see what i meant .

Fred needs to visit londonistan, try Shepherds Bush....even Freds selective tunnel vision would get a surprise.

The place wasn't just busy, the word busy doesent do it justice, try "heaving"

I'm not sure what all these people strolling along do for a living, but they sure as hell weren't working (around 11am)


He might also question the ever rising social security bill when there is supposedly record employment.


You up for it Fred?

It was obvious you had made a ricket jimmy, ignore the sniping.

Yes cheers i said it the wrong way round i won't post here again ,not worth the abuse .

not quite fair about shepherds bush as even in the early 70s it had a heavy west indian and asian population, as shown by the market traders in the market along goldhawk road - i lived in cromwell grove at that time

jimmy, keep posting, not everyone on here is a tosser.

c.

Made no comment about colour/race...the comment was about vast quantities of apparently independently rich people who seemingly don't need to work.

welfare and benefit spending
as far as i can determine, in the 1960's this was running at about 20% of gov't revenues and is now at about 30%

i'm not sure if "gov't revenues" are the same as GDP, but i'ld guess so

anyway, is it surprising that this is becoming or even has become too onerous a burden in its present form?

Gross Domestic Product is not gov revenue, it's the total transaction value of the whole country.

Gov revenue is the tax (in it's many forms) collection element.

I fear that the Greeks are going to leave the Euro and although The Germans and the Euro finance people say they wish Greece to stay : they probably are coming to terms that an exit is almost probably unavoidable due to the unsustainable impact upon that country remaining in the single currency system, having to pay of debts for at least another 20 years or so.......it will be miraculous if there is not an exit...