Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil.

Are you talking about your fellow members of the tory party or your mates down the pub?


Perhaps, the party financiers in the Cayman Isles?

thanks fred; love it; hadn't seen the fascist gazette this morning

Suck it up!



http://order-order.com/2016/11/03/remain-voters-five-stages-grief-yougov/

I can relate to the Remainers sense of grief about Referendum result. May 1997 was the low point for me too when that ***t Blair and the Labour party set about destroying the UK.

You are hoped that Cameron and May would finish it.

They both were and are too incompetent to do so.

Only ever voted Conservative once Fred but voted many times for Labour. Will never vote Labour again while Corbyn is in charge and nor will many others like me.

That's why he will never come close to winning a general election.

i remain uncertain as to what will finally pan out, even starting with article 50 having to be approved by westminster - i don't think the appeal court will overturn the first judgment whatever TM may trumpet

all i do know is that whatever deals are finally done with the brussels bunch, it will not be as expected and of course will leave many unhappy (hard cheese)

You do pontificate at times C.
Anti-Brexit parties would win 150 fewer seats than pro-Leave parties at a general election, analysis suggests. The PM should call their bluff and demand support, or else. I'd rather any election was after the new boundaries had been finally decided but if needs be bring it on before. I'm sure the Art 50 legislation can be framed in a way that is also a vote of confidence in the government.
As for the "justices" they don't have a clue about justice, just law. Lord Chief Justice Denning became famous for despatching justice not precedent. The 3 nancies in fancy dress should read some of his judgements and learn.

It says it all!

There has already been a vote by the Houses of Parliament to have a referendum,
and when they had that vote, there was a majority of 10-1 in favour.

When these MP's voted to have that referendum, they also should have been
aware that in the Lisbon Treaty there was an escape clause that states quite
clearly that when a country wishes to leave the EU(in UK's case we had
a referendum) , they have to invoke article50 in writing, and so in ENGLISH law..'IGNORANCE IS NO DEFENCE.

So having that referendum gave the government the power to trigger article50
WITHOUT going back to the commons, and this decision by the high court, which
is an outright disgrace, now gives the remoaners the opportunity to dispute every
action the government takes, instead of waiting until any negotiations are complete
and for these negotiations then to be put into the public domain.

What is the UK escaping to a swamp or paradise?

If it is paradise I would like a part of it, but if it is to a swamp I would like a map of the pathways through it first.

If you don't trust the MPs in their decision making, I would trust them even less when you don't know what they are negotiating.

As far as tying their hands, I would tie their whole bodies down.

If a deal is worth having all or many of the truths or facts should be out in the open and then a drawn up with as much benefit as possible to all. Not just some greedy bs, who get their heads in the trough first.

I know exactly what they should be negotiating, and that is to leave the single
market, and in the process get free trade agreements, and the right NOT to
have free movement, as in the deal 'similar' to the one just signed one by the
EU with Canada....

For those who didn't watch This Week on Thursday night, it might be interesting to watch the first part of the show and consider some consequences of attempting to break up the EU, rather than modify it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b081wrzt/this-week-03112016

I indicated some months ago that the EU would probably break up when the Italian banks go down the pan. I see no reason to change my view.
2517

2517GEORGE -you may be right, but EU Politics is their worst enemy as they bolt-on
more failing economies (why else would they be willing to join?).... so the sooner we
are free the better.
FWIW
I think that "Showing yr hand" in any negotiation results in a poorer "deal" - and
whilst I don't trust anyone in the Country "so far" to be a good negotiator ( having
little/no prior expertise, etc.) - I trust MPs as a whole far less - Include their bickering
+Vested interests +Self interest +Tweets . . . .
....which will make any subsequent EU-Negotiations a complete farce.... as the
Other-side knows everything!

The EU is a mixed bag - some will want to wreck any deals to warn-off others.... and
some may want a deal that is good for Trade and Politic - after all we are/will be a
significant Player within Europe, in Terms of Legal CoOperation and in goods Buying
and Selling.

That we had a Referendum agreed by the whole country ( inc. those far away!)

meant that the outcome was binding on the UK Government - no other grouping of
MPs was envisaged - no "lies" were outside the bounds of the two
Camps and it seems neither was the lack of any Plan for the two outcomes
( Three, if the Vote was considered 50-50 . . . . Indeed PM DC's
plan:- was to have no plan! ). Therefore the eminent Judges got it wrong IMHO.....
because they relied on ancient precedent - when the modern precedent was staring
them in the face. Parliament and the Country had already agreed to accept a
Referendum and that would require doing whatever was necessary if the Vote was to
Leave the EU . . . how much clearer did it need to be? Discussing each point in a
open parliament would be folly, to the extent it was never even considered.

The Government should get on with the will of the majority of Voters.


( + I have to say I was disappointed with NG's swift exit . . .
....along with BJ and DC . . . )



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Can anyone explain why we allowed the sale of the LSE.....
wasn't that a bit dumb?

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IT - 5780 - not intentionally and it may be that you just misinterpreted what i wrote
as for your snipe at the judges, it is very unfair (there are other words) as their job is to interpret the law as it stands and no more - or have i misunderstood what you are trying to say?

however, in the light of
"Anti-Brexit parties would win 150 fewer seats than pro-Leave parties at a general election, analysis suggests"
please clarify as to what party you think would actually win more (those) seats

Jeremy Corbyn says Labour MPs will vote to block Article 50 if the PM does not guarantee Single Market access.

the way things are currently heading, it would come as no surprise if a GE was forced
but who or which party would benefit from that?

And that's another nail in his coffin.

Cynic , Tories and UKIP. Labour would get battered in its heartlands where the largest majority of out voters were.

SNP would probably get a good kicking too.