Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Copilot at fault it seems.....

Baader-Meinof ?

Apparently the two pilot guys 'had words'.

No names have yet been released and so there is no 'name indication' that a pilot who might have been an islamic extremist was involved.

EL - just back from the gym ......
alzheimer's, especially in its latter stages, is hugely difficult to cope with at home for all sorts of very good reasons ..... and for the purpose of the exercise, we'll say dementia and alzheimer's are synonymous

i also suspect that most (all?) residential care homes do not have the necessary specialist staff to cope with this

your idea of robbing peter to pay paul could just as easily be labelled as passing the buck and, even if it was feasible which i personally doubt per above, i cannot see that it would actually save money or resources

however, as i suggested at the outset, collaboration between residential care homes and hospitals is worth exploring as a way of freeing hospital beds by moving those patients for the extra few days required while their "home circumstances" are organised

Manuel.

What about my feelings you have hurt?

...Yeah and me.

no need to worry about you; waste of time anyway
you're already frightfully old, deaf, thick skinned and without long to live anyway :-)
at least you won't clutter up any hospital beds for long

Bleeding cheek!

Apologies, as well as the use of capital letters, seems beneath him.

Arrogant as well as cynical? Hmmm? I wonder. :-)

OK, cynic. It's you who is wanting 'to pass the buck' and not deal with the problem, not me. Let's just keep up the good work filling the beds in NHS hospitals with alzheimers patients.

It's a good bet there are going to be more and more and more and more of them. So many in fact, that your average A&E potential bed wanting patient, is going to have to go round to one of your empty cares homes to get some emergency care.

What a brilliant idea (NOT!): Let's open up an NHS A&E department in every care home, eh?

Manuel,

When I leave hospital I will pee the bed before I walk out and tell them to keep it ready for you!

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Tell me how many things have you- forgotten to-day?

Ask your wife.

EL - do you have any idea what it takes to look after a patient with dementia, let alone alzheimer's, which is much nastier?
perhaps you might check it out and then discard your fixation with that particularly unpleasant affliction

then apply yourself to those who block hospital beds for just 5-10 unnecessary days while merely awaiting a ramp to be fitted so they can access their own homes and similar

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fred - am i married?

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Haze,

Caring Cameron, Lansley,Hunt and IDS have been in charge of NHS, Social Services and Welfare Services for "5 bloody years" and the services are worse.

The services need to integrated, not palmed out to PE., or patients to be kicked out onto the streets.

Integration, means good central organisation of management with devolve funded responsibility.

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Manuel,

I have to remind you again you are married.

If you keep on telling young girls that you are not I will have to write to your wife!

8-)

Manuel,

If you are not so, it is could be a relief for many.

Integration, means good central organisation of management with devolve funded responsibility

a great sound-bite fred, and i'm sure that is what successive gov'ts have been searching for
however, as they have all found out, the ideal sounds great but the implementation is a total nightmare for all sorts of reasons

I would take what Alf says on here with a very large pinch of salt if I were you Fred... He was even cracking on that he works for a living earlier -):

Cynic

You are an unapologetic, arrogant, cynical twerp.

I take it you have just ONE personal experience of ONE balsamic patient who got stuck in a hospital bed because he/she couldn't go home for 5-10 days because of an access ramp needing to be fitted? Was it you yourself perchance?

And 'bolox' to the rest of your illogical opinions.

"Cynic

You are an unapologetic, arrogant, cynical twerp."... Yes? now tell us something we don't know -):

cynic has always seemed to me to be a very logical, sensible and polite poster. As such, he is quite an improvement on many on here.

no EL, you are totally and utterly wrong

my mother managed to look after my dad at home until he died at 91 ..... she was in her 80s at the time and after he died, she admitted that she didn't know how she'd ever managed to cope
my father-in-law suffered from alzheimer's and ultimately, the family (and m-in-l) had no option other than to have him hospitalised

my observation about hospitals collaborating with residential care homes is actually plagiarised from a longish news item a couple of weeks back
the hospital in question found it to worked really well though quite expensively, but it enabled them to get back on track very quickly indeed

so for what should i apologise (as opposed to yourself) and what is illogical?

thank you hays ..... i think my post above answers the earlier nonsense and bad temper from EL