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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 14:00 - 58124 of 81564

my honest view was that EM was dreadful on the paxo show, but clearly others thought differently

IG still show tories with 12 more seats than labour
however, as i have always said, i'ld rather have a "proper" gov't of any hue than one which is intrinsically hamstrung and thus made incapable of putting through unpopular measures that are deemed necessary

should EM end up in Number 10, and of course that is far from certain, then SNP will continue to have a ball and pull the strings .... that can't be good for anyone

Fred1new - 29 Mar 2015 14:05 - 58125 of 81564

I thought Charlie gave a fairly accurate summary of the present torrid party and can see why the party appeal to the Hazyone.

Theresa's description the blue rinse brigade as the Nasty Party is how the general public think of it.

What are the saying a party HQ about the labour 4% lead in the polls?

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Do I see a Boris creeping up on Dave!

MaxK - 29 Mar 2015 14:13 - 58126 of 81564

Have you forgotten that Ed used some very vague rules to avoid paying property taxes?

A true socialist and man of the people eh Fred?

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 14:18 - 58127 of 81564

i don't know why fred cares, but it's patently not enough to make him want to get off his bum and vote

Fred1new - 29 Mar 2015 14:18 - 58128 of 81564

Perhaps, a coalition government would be able to present and pass more central and moderate policies aiding more cohesion as the consider the needs of majority of society which they are supposed to represent.

It is obvious that Scotland feel that they have been neglected by Labour, Lib/Dems and tories, whether it is true, or not, is difficult to judge.

The present torids are seen as representing themselves and their own at the expense of the most defenceless in society.

A greedy bunch who will probably get paid what they are worth.

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Mind it is only one poll and only 4%!

Fred1new - 29 Mar 2015 14:30 - 58129 of 81564

Max,

Don't know the details, but the family were using the rules as they were/are.

But don't know, but guess some of those rules will be changed!

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Cynic,

If it was necessary and I thought my vote had the potential to rid the UK of Cameron and henchmen I would rush to the poll station shouting Cynic, Cynic, Cynic, Manuel!!!!!!!

Fred1new - 29 Mar 2015 14:32 - 58130 of 81564

The YouGov poll for the Sunday Times, taken after Thursday’s Channel 4/Sky TV grilling for the two party leaders by Jeremy Paxman put Labour on 36%, and the Conservatives on 32%.


If replicated on 7 May, this share of the vote could give Labour a lead of more than 60 seats in the House of Commons.

MaxK - 29 Mar 2015 14:33 - 58131 of 81564

If you have access, the bookies don't agree with the polls.


HTTP://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ddc1126-5a02-11df-acdc-00144feab49a.html#axzz3VlxX1XnI

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 15:56 - 58132 of 81564

fred - as you know, it is my opinion that ALL votes are needed and that in a democracy one has an obligation, even in safe seats such as yours and indeed my own

Fred1new - 29 Mar 2015 17:03 - 58133 of 81564

Not sure whether it is your opinion or my opinion should should count!

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 17:40 - 58134 of 81564

probably neither, as given that we both live in safe seats, that would seem to be the case
that said, it does not change the validity of my opinion on whether or not one has an obligation to vote

dreamcatcher - 29 Mar 2015 17:53 - 58135 of 81564

Have you talked about Evans cycles before cynic?

The private equity owner of Cotswold Outdoor is considering a bid for Evans Cycles, the Sunday Telegraph said. PAI Partners is in the final round of bidders for the bike retailer, which also includes three other UK private equity firms. Trade buyers including Sports Direct and Halfords have dropped out. Halfords has decided to focus on its own high street cycling arm Cycle Republic

Fred1new - 29 Mar 2015 17:56 - 58136 of 81564

With duplicitous tory practices as below, labour or Lib/dem won't need my vote:

Lords accuse Tories of ‘burying’ review that cleared EU of interference
Cross-party group says European Union doesn’t intervene unduly in British life, a view that clashes with David Cameron’s claims of Brussels’ excessive powers
david cameron - 28 Mar 2015
David Cameron claims the EU is ‘becoming a state’ and has accrued excessive powers. Photograph: Ray Tang/REX



Ministers have been accused by a cross-party group of peers of trying to “bury” the results of the biggest ever Whitehall examination of European Union powers, after it found no evidence that the EU was interfering excessively in any aspect of British life.
In a hugely damaging move for the government, the European Union Committee of the House of Lords, chaired by former Tory minister Lord Boswell, comes close to saying that ministers tried to cover up the findings, which do not support David Cameron’s claims that the EU is “becoming a state” and has already accrued excessive powers.


etc
Commenting on his committee’s highly critical report into the way the government has handled the review, Boswell also tore into it for spending up to £5m on the project, only to make no effort to pull its findings together and make them accessible to a public that wants to know the truth about the UK’s relationship with the EU.

“There is no point spending up to £5m of public money on an excellent review and then burying it. People need to know the facts about the UK-EU relationship,” Boswell said.

He told the Observer that of the 32 reports into different areas of the EU’s operation in the review, there was “no report in which it was demonstrated that too much power resided in Brussels”.

He added: “This was trumpeted as the biggest survey of its kind into the balance of power between the UK and Brussels but, for whatever reason, [ministers] decided not to present a coherent overall view of the work.”

The committee said the entire project was “diminished by the government’s failure to deliver it


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/28/lords-accuse-tories-burying-eu-powers-review

Cameron will do anything to become a . in history!

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 18:15 - 58137 of 81564

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Chris Carson - 29 Mar 2015 18:18 - 58138 of 81564

Labour ‘unlikely’ to win back voters from SNP

13:04Sunday 29 March 2015
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SCOTTISH Labour is very unlikely to win back the voters it lost to the SNP during the independence referendum in time for the general election, two new surveys suggest.

People who voted for independence have coalesced around the SNP and their vote is hardening, while Labour has become a party for No voters and its standing amongst nationalists has plummeted, analysis by the British Election Study (BES) has found.

Labour election co-ordinator Douglas Alexander said today that winning a majority will be “difficult but do-able”, following a new YouGov poll for The Sunday Times which found that Labour has surged into a four-point lead across the UK.


But 1,300 Scottish voters polled by BES between March 6-13 puts Labour 17 points behind the SNP in Scotland, with the SNP on 44 per cent and Labour on 27 per cent.

Its findings are supported by a Scottish snapshot in the Sunday Times poll conducted on March 27-28, which puts the SNP on 46 per cent and Labour on 33 per cent amongst the 159 Scottish voters polled.

The BES report, by Jane Green and Chris Prosser, said: “It is Labour’s hope that the losses it has seen to the SNP are temporary, and that those voters will come back to Labour in six weeks’ time.

“Our data suggests that while not impossible, that prospect is very unlikely.

“Almost 90 per cent of Scottish Labour voters are No voters and an equivalent 91 per cent of SNP voters are Yes voters.

“This polarisation happened because of the movement of Yes voters away from Labour to the SNP and occurred between June and September 2014.”

BES sees no way back for former Labour voters and also found the haemorrhage to the SNP is continuing apace.

“The proportion of Yes voters intending to vote SNP in September 2014 was 70 per cent. That figure now stands at 79 per cent.

“This trend is a worrying one for Labour in Scotland. Less than two months from the general election Yes voters are still moving to the SNP.”



Labour defectors have also become more entrenched in their positions as SNP loyalists, BES found.

“This again is a worrying sign for Labour,” it said.

“It suggests that Labour-SNP vote switchers are no more moveable than SNP loyalists. Among all UK parties, the SNP’s vote base going into 2015 is the most certain on average of all.

“BES data cannot tell us what will happen in the coming six weeks. Vote switching happens beneath the surface of average percentages and the campaign could easily throw up unexpected results.

“But what we can say is that while Labour may convince its previous voters to come back to the fold, we do know that the odds are certainly stacked against them.”




cynic - 29 Mar 2015 18:22 - 58139 of 81564

chris - this is true, but of course it is not unlikely that we will very much have the tail wagging the dog, whoever is in number 10

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 18:24 - 58140 of 81564

Cross-party group says European Union doesn’t intervene unduly in British life, a view that clashes with David Cameron’s claims of Brussels’ excessive powers

total bullshit!
EU interferes in some major areas, ranging from some of the rulings that emanate from the european courts that we are obligated to obey, to being told whom we should allow into the country, to all sorts of other petty rulings on any number of smaller issues



in any case, the tories would like to stay within EU provided that there are renegotiations and amendments on certain issues .... and on which a referendum will be held

on the other hand, labour are more than happy to roll over and do absolutely nothing other than accept whatever edicts come from brussels

this has been a major plank in ukip's surge in popularity across the country
and of course it is assuredly not just ukip supporters who think that the eu's self-appointed powers need a major overhaul and pruning

Chris Carson - 29 Mar 2015 18:25 - 58141 of 81564

cynic - Win win for Scotland whoever is in number 10 :0)

cynic - 29 Mar 2015 18:26 - 58142 of 81564

that as may be, but i'm not a scot in case you hadn't noticed :-)

Chris Carson - 29 Mar 2015 18:29 - 58143 of 81564

Neither am I, I live here. I'm just enjoying the demise of the Labour Party in Scotland :0)
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