Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Have you been watching KWS? Mr Dil?

Here's one for Fred :-)


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/19/hamilton-mike-pence-trump-voters-safe-space

IF only they'd except there were other religions, and that they need to be more
tollerant towards those who believe in other gods, but don't hold your breath..


gatestoneinstitute.org/9350/kill-despicable-christians

Dil.

Have a read of this.

Sums some of my thoughts up.


"CBI to make plea to Theresa May for a ‘smooth Brexit’"



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/20/cbi-brexit-lengthy-transition-period


This sums up some of my sentiment:

20/11/2016: NEWS: ' WE WERE TOUGH ON THE BRITISH WHEN ...
www.globalheadlines.uk/...

http://www.globalheadlines.uk/news/16440966/20-11-2016--NEWS--%E2%80%98-WE-WERE-TOUGH-ON-THE-BRITISH-WHEN-YOU-CAME-IN--WE%E2%80%99LL-BE-TOUGH-ON-YOU-WHEN-YOU-LEAVE%E2%80%99-WHY-EUROPE-WILL-DRIVE-A-HARD-BREXIT.html

I have difficulty in getting the address.

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But find the today's Observer one of the most balanced, interesting and heavy going for a long time.

But perhaps I am getting slower.

Dil dear boy whilst we may disagree on sport and shares when it comes to Brexit we are as one.

The only sheep involved in this were those who blindly followed the advice of the majority of politicians, economists, business leaders, luvies and pundits and said we must stay or the world would end. O and to add insult to injury they now categories those who voted out as thick, uneducated, old and racist.

These same people lead us into the banking crisis, a record national debt and a nation which has lost site of its identity and values. Shame on them and their acolytes from which ever end of the political spectrum.

I still believe that the UK can make its way in the world unfettered from the dead hand of the EU which as you say is doomed and good riddance.

Are you sure the "leaders" aren't the same leaders who are now attempting to lead some by the noses out of the EU?

The UK will survive either in or out of the EU, it is the cost of leaving the EU which I dislike.

Artificial or falsely based "pride" can be expensive.

Looking around, at the moment we seem to be in the most unstable period in Europe, Russia, and ME since the late 20s and 30s.

I do not want fascism to be back in power or control.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "fascism" Fred.

Max,

That was what was said by Mosley, Mussolini, Hitler, and quite a few others.

Also, the led to the naivety of appeasement of that period.

Buy a copy of today's Observer and have a look at their articles on Europe and America.

You don't have to believe what is written, but it may start you thinking about the possible consequences of the present political activities and their reasoning.

An interesting edition.

"CBI to make plea to Therasa May for a 'smooth Brexit'"


They need to realise that there WILL be a hard Brexit, the UK will leave the
single market and pull out of the customs union..

There is no two ways about it, its all a matter of getting as best a deal between
the UK and the EU...

Looks like the questions discussed on here over the weekend got too much for Fred so he's back to posting cartoons.

Dumbo is awake.

Fred , the CBI can plea as much as it wants to but I believe total freedom of movement will not be up for negotiation.

It will then be up to the EU as to what type of deal we are offered.

Those tariffs and costs mentioned in the Guardian report work both ways so EU will be bloody stupid not to make some kind of deal with us but then again the EU makes many bloody stupid decisions.

Hi Dailos

Martini , I am always 100% in agreement with you about rugby. Not my fault you keep mixing the names Wales and England up when you post. Seek help :-)

if you read schaubler's comments, he'll tell you uk has no chance of doing anything at all except on eu's terms
read someone else, and you get a rather different picture, not least about restricting freedom of movement

read another, and you'll be told that eu is stronger than ever
read someone else and they'll tell you that italy, france and nl want out as their next elections will show ..... and again, moldova which has been chasing for eu membership for some years, is now being (forcibly) turned back towards russia

... and corporation tax cut to a historic low should please them and tempt EU businesses here.

Indeed Dil. Good weekend with England struggling against Japan and Wales crushing Fiji.

What are corporation taxes and backhanders like in banana republics?

:->

depends on the price of bananas, though virtually all plantations are under severe threat from the fungal disease Tropical Race 4

Fred do you think Banana Republics really do just grow Bananas ?

some small nations are almost totally reliant on same :-)