Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Are you sure the "leaders" aren't the same leaders who are now attempting to lead some by the noses out of the EU?

The UK will survive either in or out of the EU, it is the cost of leaving the EU which I dislike.

Artificial or falsely based "pride" can be expensive.

Looking around, at the moment we seem to be in the most unstable period in Europe, Russia, and ME since the late 20s and 30s.

I do not want fascism to be back in power or control.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "fascism" Fred.

Max,

That was what was said by Mosley, Mussolini, Hitler, and quite a few others.

Also, the led to the naivety of appeasement of that period.

Buy a copy of today's Observer and have a look at their articles on Europe and America.

You don't have to believe what is written, but it may start you thinking about the possible consequences of the present political activities and their reasoning.

An interesting edition.

"CBI to make plea to Therasa May for a 'smooth Brexit'"


They need to realise that there WILL be a hard Brexit, the UK will leave the
single market and pull out of the customs union..

There is no two ways about it, its all a matter of getting as best a deal between
the UK and the EU...

Looks like the questions discussed on here over the weekend got too much for Fred so he's back to posting cartoons.

Dumbo is awake.

Fred , the CBI can plea as much as it wants to but I believe total freedom of movement will not be up for negotiation.

It will then be up to the EU as to what type of deal we are offered.

Those tariffs and costs mentioned in the Guardian report work both ways so EU will be bloody stupid not to make some kind of deal with us but then again the EU makes many bloody stupid decisions.

Hi Dailos

Martini , I am always 100% in agreement with you about rugby. Not my fault you keep mixing the names Wales and England up when you post. Seek help :-)

if you read schaubler's comments, he'll tell you uk has no chance of doing anything at all except on eu's terms
read someone else, and you get a rather different picture, not least about restricting freedom of movement

read another, and you'll be told that eu is stronger than ever
read someone else and they'll tell you that italy, france and nl want out as their next elections will show ..... and again, moldova which has been chasing for eu membership for some years, is now being (forcibly) turned back towards russia

... and corporation tax cut to a historic low should please them and tempt EU businesses here.

Indeed Dil. Good weekend with England struggling against Japan and Wales crushing Fiji.

What are corporation taxes and backhanders like in banana republics?

:->

depends on the price of bananas, though virtually all plantations are under severe threat from the fungal disease Tropical Race 4

Fred do you think Banana Republics really do just grow Bananas ?

some small nations are almost totally reliant on same :-)

Dumbo,

Yes!

Do you feel hungry?

So Ireland is now categorised as a Banana republic.

Like Ecuador - bananas and Julien Assange - a banana by another name. It does have shrimps as well. Assange again comes to mind.

I thought you did , i love Bananas ,you know what they say about Bananas and Porridge ?

Referring to somewhere as a banana republic is consider by some as racist Fred.

Not me though , I saw a 'what it was like in the 80's' programme on Channel 4 I think on the weekend and in one clip Spike Milligan opened the door to a coulered postman who handed him a letter and Spike said 'that's black mail'.

I laughed.