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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

MrCharts - 26 Jan 2009 17:39 - 593 of 6906

"Murder" and "final solution", huh?

Carefully chosen words. Designed to provoke, enrage?
Or just crassly laughable?

Fred1new - 26 Jan 2009 17:50 - 594 of 6906

Comparable.

Fred1new - 26 Jan 2009 18:05 - 595 of 6906

Charts and Gausie.

Have a look at the web site.

After reading a little I think both of you are almost normal.

Not sure.


http://www.amazon.com/tag/politics/forum?cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=8&cdThread=Tx15DOYYP7IT5U9

rawdm999 - 26 Jan 2009 18:20 - 596 of 6906

cynic - 24 Jan 2009 14:54 - 587 of 595
Mr Benn will address the pro-Palestinian rally ..... and that is exactly why BBC should not show

I wonder if this country would be in a better state if he hadn't been allowed to breed. Sorry, a bit off topic.

Gausie - 26 Jan 2009 18:29 - 597 of 6906

Nothing wrong with Mr Benn

MrCharts - 26 Jan 2009 18:37 - 598 of 6906

Is that a link to the Nazi sites you must feel so at home on?
Or just a Trotskyist site?
Or the peace loving Hizbollah or Hamas sites?
Same thing.
All mindless thugs.
Whatever turns you on.

Fred1new - 26 Jan 2009 18:52 - 599 of 6906

Charts,

This is the site of the Charity organisations appeal for Gaza.

http://www.dec.org.uk/
=====================


The previous site I only had a brief look at, but it appeared that many were defending Israel's actions.

Were those the thugs, Nazis or Trotskyists you were addressing?


By the way is Rowan Williams a thug.

Moderation please.

Gausie - 26 Jan 2009 18:53 - 600 of 6906

I hear that sky news have also considered the proposed appeal that the BBC turned down. They too are refusing to air it.

Fred1new - 26 Jan 2009 18:54 - 601 of 6906

PS I think Leon Trotsky was Jewish.

Gausie - 26 Jan 2009 18:58 - 602 of 6906

Thanks fred - are you running 'jew watch' now?

An interesting video. Fred - are you in the clip they show from Atlanta?

Fred1new - 26 Jan 2009 19:45 - 603 of 6906



Gausie.

No not looking for Jews. However, in my youth I was interested in Communism. And from recollection thought Trotsky was Jewish and checked.

Interesting also that Stalins youth was spent in an Orthodox Seminary.

Personally, I have often found that the zealots of politics were often previously religious zealots. Also found it difficult to understand how "men or women of god " seem to be able to shed their said beliefs" at the church, synagogue or temple doors.

It was your sweeping statement of "thugs" which interested me.

I am not certain whether you are suggesting I am a Nazi or a Communist

A lot of people think their positions were polar to one another. Perhaps, as usual it is you who are confused.

Not a particularly balanced response. You can do better if you try.

Perhaps, your position represents the problems in the Middle East.

Another thing, which I would like to point out, many members of my wife's family spent a number of years in forced labour camps during WW2, and then had to live under communist regimes.

Some of the relatives were imprisoned for years under a subsequent communist regime.

In my student days I spent 3months studying in a communist state. I am aware of totalitarian and abusive states.


Mean while this is what the present controversies is about:

See for yourself.

For me they seem to be at a humanitarian and non-political group of agencies, although they are supported by people of different religious backgrounds.


http://www.dec.org.uk/

MrCharts - 26 Jan 2009 20:11 - 604 of 6906

What are you rambling on about now?

What gems of common sense are you trying to purvey?

Fred1new - 26 Jan 2009 21:11 - 605 of 6906

http://www.dec.org.uk/

Gausie - 26 Jan 2009 23:38 - 606 of 6906

Fred

It was your sweeping statement of "thugs" which interested me.

I am not certain whether you are suggesting I am a Nazi or a Communist

A lot of people think their positions were polar to one another. Perhaps, as usual it is you who are confused.

You suggest it is I who am confused, and prove it by referring to my 'sweeping statement of "thugs"'. Yet I made no such statement...... Why did you make this up? Did you dream it? Or are your memory and sensibilities failing you again?

chocolat - 26 Jan 2009 23:49 - 607 of 6906

Looks like a transferred epi to me.

Ruth - 27 Jan 2009 10:07 - 608 of 6906

Fred, would you care to comment on this video?how can any parent watch it and not be sickened to their stomach of the hatred these hamas parents are learning their children, and how very brave hey Fred, using innocent children as human shields,its sick beyond belief,

are you going to condemn the actions seen in it?please dont answer my question with your own questions, im simply asking you what you think of this video clip,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5D5_m93A0&feature=PlayList&p=4BE322AAE185C01C&playnext=1&index=21

MrCharts - 27 Jan 2009 10:29 - 609 of 6906

Re-thugs,
I suspect it's merely he thinks everyone who disagrees with him is "them".
He lumps people together into big boxes. It enables him to label everyone without thinking so that he can hate more easily. It's always been like that throughout history. Demonise the "enemy", make them "sub-human", easier to hate, easier to justify atrocities. Link them, "Trotsky was a Jew". Therefore all communists are Jews, therefore murder all Jews and Communists. Typical Nazi subliminal (later overt) propaganda. Also later taken up by the Communists themselves. And employed now by Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Quada, L-e-T and the rest.........not to mention their fellow travellers on the extreme right and the extreme left...........
But hate is blind and hatred cannot see (with apologies to the Bard for changing his words).

Fred1new - 27 Jan 2009 11:41 - 610 of 6906

http://www.dec.org.uk/

Fred1new - 27 Jan 2009 11:45 - 611 of 6906

Gausie, I keep on thinking of You and Mr Charts as of the same ilk.

My resonse was in replay to:

"MrCharts - 26 Jan 2009 18:37 - 598 of 610
Is that a link to the Nazi sites you must feel so at home on?
Or just a Trotskyist site?
Or the peace loving Hizbollah or Hamas sites?
Same thing.
All mindless thugs.
Whatever turns you on."

MrCharts - 27 Jan 2009 12:12 - 612 of 6906

Ruth,
Re- that video.
A case opened at the International Criminal Court yesterday in which a man was accused of "persuading" children to join his army to kill, pillage and rape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7850397.stm

I have no idea whether he is guilty or not since I haven't seen the evidence.

It's interesting that fred (and his like) remain silent, as he does on so many terrible things like Darfur, on the possibility of Hamas members being brought to trial for committing identical crimes to those alleged against Thomas Lubanga in the Congo.
There is plenty of evidence on that video alone.....................
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