bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
Sequestor
- 15 Jun 2005 10:15
- 5941 of 27111
pt- agree its just too much ` off pat` , the way it keeps see-sawing, whats happened to the 40+m shares floating around anyway, this must have a bearing surely?
andysmith
- 15 Jun 2005 10:19
- 5942 of 27111
Couldn't wait any longer, topped up this morning and up already!!!!!!
bhunt1910
- 15 Jun 2005 10:23
- 5943 of 27111
Damn & Blast - one of my CFD's triggered its stop loss this morning @21.75 - which I had forgotten. - took my eye of the ball there.
Baza
bhunt1910
- 15 Jun 2005 10:39
- 5944 of 27111
Andy - good timing mate - wish I could have said the same about my CFD.
Baza
ptholden
- 15 Jun 2005 10:39
- 5945 of 27111
nice one AndyS. had another small flutter myself this morning.
Seq, I don't really think the 40M shares are much of an issue at the moment. Wherever they were placed, the holders do not seem to be going for a quick profit, rather hanging on for the 'real returns'. I would expect them like all the rest of the shares to be sold when the time is right and perhaps not for some time yet.
If the SP can gather a little more momentum, an awful lot of people will be piling back in today. Come on you herds, don't miss the bottom!!
pth
Sequestor
- 15 Jun 2005 10:39
- 5946 of 27111
must admit I didn`t bother with a stop loss this time, just as well probably,
- good to know pth
Chiva20
- 15 Jun 2005 10:41
- 5947 of 27111
Grim baza - I've been watching like a hawk, I've learned that harsh lesson more than once - had to move one or two of mine down a couple of times. I hate doing that goes against my normal logic of these things. Hopefully I'll be glad I did!
Nice to see blue, I believe we'll see more of this again on a build up to Monday once again
bosley
- 15 Jun 2005 10:54
- 5948 of 27111
apologies for doubting you, chiva. looks like you called it right.
roma
- 15 Jun 2005 11:00
- 5949 of 27111
I agree with you, ptholden. I would think that the 44m shares were bought for long term investment. I don't expect them to be sold for a long time.
wilbs
- 15 Jun 2005 11:03
- 5950 of 27111
You should check out BOR. Up 17% and further to go.
wilbs
ptholden
- 15 Jun 2005 11:08
- 5951 of 27111
Just about 1M buys in the last 30 minutes and NO sells, bound to change of course, but are those sitting on the fence about to miss the bus?
pth
Chiva20
- 15 Jun 2005 11:19
- 5952 of 27111
I hope so Bos! This has been quite a retracement from the high, so I favour its due a lift up again.
stockdog
- 15 Jun 2005 11:42
- 5953 of 27111
Looks like we may be turning up, but there was a recent 600,000 sell at 22.25 - could be part of the 44m which could indicate more selling into strength to come which will keep the SP capped until whoever is selling has offloaded enough. There may well be a sell programme as we move up as each placee takes its money out at pre-determined profit levels. But it's only 5% of the issue, so won't hold us back for long much eventually.
I'm still happy to have topped up on the way down at the beginning of last wek, missing the best price available today by only 0.38p.
Mid to long term view, don't wait for 20p - it's irrelevant. If you want in, buy now. DYOR
sd
Chiva20
- 15 Jun 2005 11:55
- 5954 of 27111
Well said Stockdog - 20p is very irrelevant - waiting for the optimum dip can often leave you wistful
ptholden
- 15 Jun 2005 12:00
- 5955 of 27111
sd
Not sure the 600,000 was a sell. Timing of the trade placed it mid price, so who knows? Probably doesn't really matter.
pth
EWRobson
- 15 Jun 2005 12:07
- 5956 of 27111
I see stockdog has got his clock wrong - thinks its evening; I wonder what he was up to all night!
Agree the comments re MMs but they will be influenced by what they know in terms of lines of stock in the wings. They do seem happier to move sp down to bring buyers back in and presumably discourage selling. The 600K could well be a buy given the timing of the deal. We are back in the 23p to 20p trading range but with a new strong support at 21.25p. Doesn't seem likely therefore that the sp will retrace as far as 20p. Seems evidence of shorting once the price rises and some enthusiastic buying when it falls. A real bull/bear battle - Waterloo with the bulls the good boys because they will be the ultimate winners! I wonder what happened to The French Connection.
baza: my advice is not to set stop losses. blue index, for instance, love you to set them. But they call your position, if negative, on a Friday which basically has the same effect; but it gives you the chance to review what you are selling. I have had to sell SEO on the way down but that mans I am now much less vulnerable although any buying back will be into strength on the way up.
I think the investor/trader contrast is somewhat artificial. I am something of a hybrid (not sexually!). The argument is rather between the fundamentalist and the TA. At present, the fundamentals remain strong but the TA is weak although with strong support at just below the present price. For those trying to judge their actions, I suggest the 3:1 rule, i.e. upside to downside. The support is [probably 21.25p and the resistance around 30p so that makes a buy on TA at up 23.5p. On fundamentals it is an on-going 'accumulate' as funds are available with no discernable limit to the upside potential.
Eric
stockdog
- 15 Jun 2005 12:11
- 5957 of 27111
pt - I saw this trade as it happened on level 2 and read it as a sell - but can't remember why now. If it was a buy, then it probably calls the bottom and ignore my thoughts about sell programmes just yet.
Will we ever know? Will it affect the SP on 15th June 2006?
chiva - don't you mean wist-empty??
sd
Chiva20
- 15 Jun 2005 12:16
- 5958 of 27111
Sd - yes apologies for the bow wow. Waiting for the optimum dip can often leave you wistempty.
ptholden
- 15 Jun 2005 12:20
- 5959 of 27111
sd
As I said, not really sure if it was a buy or sell. Good grief, must be bored to disect one trade. However, a sell trade of some sort certainly went though the system to knock the bid/offer down. All buys since then have been at a lower level, but steadily rising again.
pth
stateside
- 15 Jun 2005 12:23
- 5960 of 27111
Rumours of an announcement at 2.30 pm today.
We shall see.
statesidestateside