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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Stan - 03 May 2015 23:38 - 59569 of 81564

The Right wingers have finaly flipped!

Fred1new - 04 May 2015 08:18 - 59570 of 81564

I wish his father had used one:


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while the icon to NEW Toryism is a stand by in waiting!

Fred1new - 04 May 2015 08:23 - 59571 of 81564

Haze,

Can you pop down to Party Central Office and asked for the official information on any deals of Cameron and Lynton Crosby:

Tory election chief Lynton Crosby's firm planned to expand role of private healthcare in UK

MaxK - 04 May 2015 08:36 - 59572 of 81564

Chris Carson - 04 May 2015 08:52 - 59573 of 81564

Labour writes off three quarters of Scottish seats after SNP surge
Labour is now focusing on just 12 seats in Scotland as it faces electoral wipeout north of the border


By Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor4:34PM BST 03 May 2015
Labour has written off nearly three quarters of its seats in Scotland because of the rise of the SNP and is now focused on saving the careers of the party's leadership.
The party is now focusing on just 12 of its 41 seats in Scotland as polls suggest that Labour is facing electoral wipeout north of the border.
According to reports activists are now being focused on the constituencies of Jim Murphy, Labour's Scottish leader, Douglas Alexander, the shadow foreign secretary and Margaret Curran, the shadow secretary of state for Scotland.
The approach has provoked fury among Labour MPs, who have accused the leadership of "abusing" the machinery of the Labour party as part of an anti-decapitation strategy.


According to the Sunday Herald, Mr Alexander is getting two Labour party staff organisers in Paisley Renfrewshire South, where he is defending a 16,614 majority.
A poll last week suggested that the SNP is on course to win every seat in Scotland amid concerns that Ed Miliband, the labour leader, has become politically toxic north of the border.


Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London, this week described the potential chaos of a Labour government propped up by the SNP as "Ajockalypse now".
He told The Sunday Times that it would lead to a "chaotic and tense arrangement" as Mr Miliband is held to ransom by Nicola Sturgeon, the leader of the SNP.
Several polls have suggested that the Tory message of the risks of a Labour government supported by the SNP are helping sway undecided English voters.


David Cameron, the Prime Minister, reiterated the warning. He told the BBC: "I'm saying that the best way to save the country is to have a government that would work for the whole of the UK, that is not reliant on nationalists from one part of it, and that is a Conservative majority government. I am fighting the SNP with everything I've got. I totally disagree with them about their plan to break up the UK.
"This potential alliance of people wanting to break up the country, of people wanting to bankrupt the country, is incredibly dangerous for our country and that's why I'm warning so vigorously if people have got four days to stop it. I've got the answer: If you vote Conservative, it won't happen."



Fred1new - 04 May 2015 08:59 - 59574 of 81564

Max,

Does you wife know you are posting pictures of her?

I suppose it is what turns you on!

MaxK - 04 May 2015 09:04 - 59575 of 81564

Stop being a fuddy duddy Fred, you know it's a good laugh.

Anyway, the blessed Nicola would kill for a bod like that :-)

MaxK - 04 May 2015 09:16 - 59576 of 81564

Is this more to your liking Fred?


Chris Carson - 04 May 2015 09:22 - 59577 of 81564

Election debate: Murphy accused of benefits ‘lie’


00:04Monday 04 May 2015 13:18Sunday 03 May 2015
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HAVE YOUR SAY
SCOTTISH Labour leader Jim Murphy has been accused by the Conservatives of peddling “an outright lie” about benefit sanctions for jobseekers.

Mr Murphy said there is a “deliberate policy” at the Jobcentre under the Conservatives to sanction benefit claimants no matter what they do.

Labour are Scottish patriots who believe in the need for change and stand for social justice
Gordon Brown
He said one of his constituents was sanctioned “because he went for a job interview”, during a heated exchange with Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson in the final televised debate of the election campaign on BBC Scotland.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie are also taking part in the debate.

Ms Davidson said that Mr Murphy is “peddling a falsehood that he knows is fictitious”.

She said: “I get quite angry in this debate that the other three people here say that we shouldn’t want to reduce our benefits bill, that we should want to leave people on benefits, not try and get them into work.

“With 174,000 more people in work, I don’t believe that no-one has potential. I don’t believe that anyone should be left on benefits.”

Mr Murphy said: “We have got to get the benefit bill under control, of course we do, but I don’t care that you are angry.


“I’m angry about the fact that under your government more and more people have had to go to foodbanks.

“I’m angry that your government, as a deliberate policy, has a target that no matter what your behaviour you will get sanctioned by the Jobcentre and won’t find out about it until you go to the hole in the wall to get your cash and find out that you have got no money.

“You then go to a high street money lender that you can’t afford, or you go to a foodbank when you can’t feed your kids.”

Ms Davidson said: “It’s not true - I have heard Jim use that line before.




“Now I love the cut and thrust of the debate, but I always try to be respectful and I always try to use parliamentary language so I am sorry that I am going to have to use unparliamentary language.

“That is an outright lie. It is a falsehood. It is made up. He is peddling a falsehood that he knows is fictitious.

“I went and checked when he first started talking about this before and it turns out it is utter nonsense.”

Mr Murphy said: “How dare you call me a liar? How dare you deal in that sort of way?

“Your government has sanctioned tens of thousands of Scots who are doing their best to find work.



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Jimbo, ` how dare you call me a Liar, how dare you you act in that sort of way` what everyone else was thinking was just a wee bit different, How dare Ms Davidson tell the truth !!!! Something Jim ( my word is my Bond) has a fleeting relationship with. Jim, name these companies, name these imaginary constituents. No?? didnt think so. Jimbob at last exposed for what he is ( a duplicitus self serving individual) on a BBC programme , heads will roll for that



Murphy is one of these people who believe if the audience doesn't agree with him when he speaks quietly then they are bound to agree when he shouts.

That moment when he feigned offence at Ruth Davidson's implication that he is a liar was pure theatre. For probably the first time in her political career Ms Davidson represented the view of a large number of Scots.


There have been two economies running in the UK, since at least the early 1970s - The one in London & the Home Counties & the one for every other area

Guess which one now has 50% of constituents worrying about inheritance tax ( Source - the Telegraph) & which of the economies has the most social deprivation, low wages & food banks?

Which economy have the Westminster political Cabal ("Left" & Right) favoured at every turn?

& some Scottish people are still going to vote Labour?


Whats new - Renfrewshire got a crook when people unknown to them - voted for Jim Murphy to be an MP.

On Thursday - they got a chance to get rid of him once and for all.

It be good to see the SNP flood Renfrew with with 10,000 of their new activists.

Seeing a clean sweep of Ponzie Labours politicians - from the Scottish political scene - will be one of the happyest days of my life.

Scotland wants justice on behalf of our Ma's and Da's who Labour politicians took advantage of for decades.

After fifty years of Labour control - look at the state of oil rich Scotland - it will take the SNP at least forty years - to claen up Labours social shambles.

Remember - Labour politicians got rich - while the silent majority got poorer.

Chris Carson - 04 May 2015 09:32 - 59578 of 81564

Andrew Wilson: Westminster must talk to SNP MPs

ANDREW WILSON
21:46Saturday 02 May 2015
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WHATEVER the democratic choices made at the ballot box, most reasonable people want politicians to work tog­ether constructively for the public good.

They’d also rather like their democratic choices to be respected and legitimised, rather than ignored or lampooned. On the whole, in mature democracies, this is what tends to happen. When it doesn’t, pressure mounts on the constitutional framework itself.

‘The conduct of politicians must improve in the aftermath of the election’
The near-hysteria about the SNP should, we hope, subside once the die is cast on Thursday. Whatever the shape of Parliament, all politicians must work to represent all of the electorate and to engage in a mature and adult way to ensure the business of government can be done. As it happens, I doubt that the number of SNP MPs will be as good as the polls currently suggest, for two main reasons. First, incumbency means some long-serving MPs will be hard to unseat in a tight battle, whatever their party. Second, it is clear that a co-ordinated tactical voting eff­ort conjoining the Better Together team of Labour and the Tories with the Liberals is well underway. It seems likely that Labour’s Scottish leader, Jim Murphy, may be returned on the back of Tory voters, having lost much of his own support to the SNP. We’ll see where that takes us.

What is undoubtedly true is that there are likely to be considerably more SNP MPs than the six they got last time. There is even the chance they could become the third party and overtake the Liberal Democrats UK-wide. This makes the current positioning of the big parties deeply curious and illogical to me. They all say that the SNP can have no place in making Parliament and the government work because they believe in independence.

The SNP lost the referendum and another one is neither likely nor in the interests of independence supporters anytime in the foreseeable fut­ure. That is unless Britain votes to leave Europe and Scotland doesn’t, in which case some of my most aggressively unionist friends will swap sides in a heartbeat.

All three London parties were also prepared to liaise with SNP business managers to organise debates, votes and parliamentary business on a weekly basis throughout the entirety of the last Parliament, when a referendum was actually in the offing.

Ed Miliband even requested a number of meetings with his SNP opposite number and co-ordinated extremely closely over a co-sponsored motion on the crisis in Syria that changed UK government policy fundamentally. In Scotland, Labour and the SNP are in coalition in three local authorities. What just doesn’t make any sense to me, though, is the core argument from all three London parties that they can’t work with the SNP because of its constitutional goal. Surely if the SNP were even an implicit part of the decisions taken at Westminster it would make their wrongly alleged desire to wedge the country apart on issues far more difficult if not impossible.

The greatest risk to the unity of the British system will come from a message from the London parties that the votes of a large chunk of Scottish voters are somehow illegitimate or unworthy of influence. It suggests a two-tier system that would do more to damage the coherence of the UK than anything any SNP politician could ever say. In my humble estimation they just haven’t thought it through. Either that or their desperation is so great they will do anything – at all – to win ugly in the narrowest of battles for a tiny proportion of swing votes.


The 2015 general election will surely be seen as one of the most tawdry and divisive campaigns in memory and what an irony that it is the SNP that has positioned itself as the one party wanting to behave and co-operate constructively.

What is becoming very clear is that as the rest of the UK gets to know Nicola Sturgeon better they increasingly like what they see. None of the three establishment parties are carrying anything like the trust rating she enjoys.

They traduce her party for the narrowest of short-term reasons and in doing so diminish themselves far more than her and the very union they purport to hold sacrosanct. It is just not good enough.

What is always true is that the conduct of politicians, and leaders in particular, must dramatically improve in the aftermath of the election.


The country may not give any party a majority, so it will be incumbent on all minorities to find the best way to unify as many people as possible beh­ind the course we must all take next.

Most of us have grown tired of the invented outrage, lazy tribalism and the politics of division.

Good people can disagree on the party they support and the final destination they desire for their country. Come Friday it is time for bridges to replace trenches, in all directions.


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Andrew. I note your concern for the situation "that would do more to damage the coherence of the UK than anything any SNP politician could ever say". I'm not convinced about your sincerity, though. You are still a member of the SNP aren't you?

Andrew, it would be great if everything settled down a bit after the GE, but with the Tories howling at the moon, just because they have to share the chamber with a bloc of SNP who actually might have a say, I'm not expecting the breakout of peace and reasonableness anytime soon - despite Nicolas best efforts.
I do believe those thinkers South of the border are waking up to the reality of the SNP gaining more from the UK tax payer. If I was living in Wales or NI I would be very upset about Scotland getting more than other regions. If the SNP get their way and eventually get a Yes vote then just watch the UK shipbuilding jobs associated with the Royal Navy go back to Belfast, Appledore, Barrow and Portsmouth. Turkeys shouldn't vote for Christmas.

What a stupidly naive article. makes out like the SNP are just like any other party, soon the whole of the UK will come to love Nicola like the Scots do, SNP just want to take part. No, they want to take it apart, if they have to wait for another referendum no matter, they'll try to chip away and cause havoc in the meantime. The biggest problem is that they want to push Miliband left and seek another £148billion of borrowing. All on the back of 40% of 9% of electorate. As Judd would say in Poldark, tint right, tint fit, tint proper. After the election the political establishment needs to get its head around constitutional change, so far England's been given no choice and as someone said today, for the English this isn't a union, it's a sentence.

cynic - 04 May 2015 09:52 - 59579 of 81564

from today's guardian ......

Ed Miliband: Conservatives have secret plan to reorganise NHS after election ....... The report is understood to focus not on controversial issues, such as the contracting out of health services, but on the excessively complex NHS bureaucracy, some of which may have been worsened by changes introduced by the previous health secretary, Andrew Lansley.

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and a damn good job too, so why labour should want to brand it as something reprehensible, i really do not know
and do i care that lansley is a tory, and he didn't get it right?
not at all

MaxK - 04 May 2015 11:03 - 59580 of 81564

Vote Nu Labour, the party of equality



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Haystack - 04 May 2015 11:43 - 59581 of 81564

Ed Miliband’s plan to erect an 8ft stone monument to Labour’s manifesto in the Downing Street garden is unlikely to get planning permission, Westminster’s planning chief has indicated.

Conservative councillors, who outnumber Labour councillors on the relevant planning committee by three to one, will have the final say as to whether Labour's political gesture can go ahead.

Robert Davis, the Conservative councillor who chairs the planning committee and its cabinet member for the built environment told the Independent Mr Miliband’s plan would face a number of obstacles.

“The fact is the committee who would make the decision comprises of three Conservatives and one Labour member so you could probably guess without me having to tell you the likely way the decision would go,” he said.

Haystack - 04 May 2015 11:58 - 59582 of 81564

Moses Miliband lays down the law

Haystack - 04 May 2015 12:02 - 59583 of 81564

Boris writing in the paper today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11580804/Dont-let-Ed-Miliband-sink-this-country-with-his-commie-slab-of-rock.html

Don’t let Ed Miliband sink this country with his commie slab of rock

Electing Labour would undo the success of the past five years and send us back to the Seventie

It’s the smugness that gets me. It’s the brass-necked complacency. As a piece of premature chicken-counting combined with insolent disrespect to the will of the electorate, this Labour stunt is frankly unbeatable.

Never mind measuring the curtains for Downing Street, Ed Miliband is so confident of victory this Thursday that he has already commissioned a vast monument to himself. He has caused a stonemason to engrave an 8ft 6in slab of limestone with a series of fine-sounding but essentially vacuous slogans, as if this were East Germany circa 1973, and he has promised – nay, sworn – that on the very first day of his regime the work will be religiously installed in the garden of the prime minister’s offices.

In true totalitarian fashion, he has signed it himself, and appended the red-rose Socialist logo of the Labour Party.

When someone showed me a pic of Ed in front of this absurdity, I thought it was a joke, some photoshopped wheeze.

It is no joke, my friends. This thing exists, and Ed fully intends that this tasteless, verbless, truthless stele should loom over No 10 like some kitsch version of the laws of Hammurabi, or some new Decalogue – except that he couldn’t think of 10 things to say.

What was he drinking? What was he smoking? What was he on when he came up with this one? Keep taking the tablets, Ed – don’t erect them in government offices. There are all sorts of people who are capable of putting a stop to this vandalism. If (heaven forfend) Ed Miliband were indeed to find himself in Downing Street this week, then the head of the Civil Service would quietly tell him not to be such a confounded idiot. No 10 is a department of state; you can’t use it for party-political propaganda. Imagine the hoo-ha if I had festooned City Hall with the Conservative logo, after we kicked out the Labour administration in 2008.

Then there is Westminster Council, for whose punctilious planning department I have deep respect. No 10 is a Grade I-listed building. Would they allow it to be desecrated with some weird commie slab? No way.

But there is another far more important person who can kibosh the whole thing – and that, of course, is you: you, the dear, the gentle, the reader who has already put up with so much election coverage and who is now about to take centre stage.

You can stop Ed and his monument; you can stop him stone dead. After all the yarping and the carping from the media and the politicos, it is time for you to have your say; and on Thursday you have a decision-making tool more powerful than 100 TV studios or a million barrels of newspaper ink. You have the stubby pencil and the bit of paper, and you hold the destiny of the country in your hands.

It will take only 23 more seats to give the Conservatives the stability of an absolute majority – something that is now completely beyond the reach of the Labour Party. So wherever you are voting, I hope you will consider why Ed Miliband reached for this preposterous gimmick. Why carve slogans in stone? Why pretend that there is something imperishable about his words? Why go to these lengths to tell us there is something fixed and rocklike about his agenda? Why? Because he knows – and he knows that we know – that the opposite is the case.

If this country were to make the tragic mistake of electing Ed Miliband and the Labour Party, we would usher in perhaps the most intrinsically weak government of modern times. Far from being graven in stone, his words would not be worth the paper they were written on. Miliband knows that his intentions would count for nothing – that he could not get a single bill through the Commons – without the approval of the Scottish Nationalists. He wouldn’t be Moses or Hammurabi; he would be rapidly transformed into the obsequious butler of Downing Street, constantly tending to the demands of fiery Aunt Nicola, always making sure that Alec Salmond was topped up with pink champagne – and at the expense of the English taxpayer.

Britain’s political stability would be seriously weakened. The two parties plainly despise each other, and already fight like ferrets in a sack. The economy would be weakened, as Labour and SNP competed to impose a series of smash-and-grab policies that would simply discourage enterprise and drive away investment. British public services would be weakened by the consequent fall in economic confidence and tax revenues. Britain’s defences would be weakened, as the Scots Nats campaigned for nuclear disarmament; and Britain’s standing abroad would be weakened by Miliband’s refusal to take on the British responsibility – to lead reform in Europe, and then put those reforms to the British people in a referendum.

With the eurozone still in turmoil, with a revanchist Putin, with the American economy wobbling again, there is only one way to give this country the strong leadership it needs – and that is to give David Cameron and the Conservatives five more years. We have come back from a terrible recession – exacerbated by Miliband and Ed Balls – to be one of the fastest-growing economies in the West, with dizzying growth in employment and new businesses. This country has amazing potential standing at the crossroads of the global economy: the commercial, cultural, creative, tech, medical and university capital of Europe if not the world – and still a huge manufacturing power.

Our mission now must be to ensure that more people share in that success across the country, to raise productivity, and to harness a more dynamic market economy to help pay for the poor, the needy, and better and better public services. I cannot believe that people will want to put that at risk, and to return to the Seventies nostrums of Labour. The Tories need another five years to embed and extend the considerable achievements of this coalition.

Let us therefore consign Milibandias and his tombstone to the bafflement of future archaeologists. Let it go down as the last act of a desperate candidate, and the heaviest suicide note in history.

Haystack - 04 May 2015 12:11 - 59584 of 81564

Paul O'Grady says he'll leave Britain for Venice if Tories win the election

That's a bonus!

Haystack - 04 May 2015 12:15 - 59585 of 81564

The Times

Don’t sneak into No 10, Labour MPs warn Miliband

Sam Coates and Laura Pitel

Last updated at 12:05AM, May 4 2015

Ed Miliband will not have the right to govern if he wins 15 fewer seats than the Conservatives in Thursday’s election, senior Labour party figures have warned. In a series of interviews with The Times yesterday, parliamentary candidates rejected claims by allies of Mr Miliband that he could become prime minister even if Labour was not the largest party in the Commons. One frontbencher suggested that Mr Miliband should resign if he finished as few as 12 seats behind David Cameron. Others fear that Labour’s future in key battlegrounds in England would be compromised if he scraped a parliamentary majority only with the help of Scottish Nationalists.

Fred1new - 04 May 2015 12:20 - 59586 of 81564

UKIP, BNP and the Party of Confidence Tricksters are getting more and more desperate.

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Haze,

Is it true the blue rinsed and tory party grandees have bought grinders and are sharpening the knives for Dodgy Dave and Osborne?

Georgie boy, IDS and Theresa are very quiet?

Are they weaving and diving, or are they reading books written by Boris on playing the clown?





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Vote UKIP or Tory, it doesn't matter, they both belong to the same clubs.

Stan - 04 May 2015 12:52 - 59587 of 81564

How many so called safe "Con" Party lying toerags will lose their seats on Thursday?

I know at least one that has a very good chance, and one that I have a direct interest in...we shall see.

Haystack - 04 May 2015 12:56 - 59588 of 81564

Nothing compared to the hoards of Labour MPs to be out of work in Scotland. Plus plenty down south. Miliband looking less and less likely to be leader in a week or so.
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