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Siberian HIghness in the 2.50 drifted from 2.24 to 3.75 :-)))

and then absolutely hacks up lol - a lot of burnt layers fingers

Some big movers today. There was something early went from 3 to 6.4 and back to 3.5 just before the off.

Scrip

and a stewards enquiry on its performance in the race and a likely look into the betting patterns!!!

looking to back the 2.5 goals in the barca game trying to get 1.58 looks outstanding value

Scrip - the race you were talking about:

Trainer Bryan Smart was fined 2,300 and jockey Paul Eddery banned for 16 days over the running and riding of Ben Casey at Southwell.
The stewards found Smart and Eddery in breach of the 'non-triers' rule and as well as penalising the trainer and jockey, they also banned the horse from running for 40 days.....

Hi Woodie

just starting to have a look at tonights footie - first question being do sides need to win or have they already qualified

some have qualified ie barca,arsenal but there is still an incentive to finish top of your group teams that do that face a team finishing in second place but not from your own country apart from liverpool hope that helps

Woodie

not convinced finishing top is a huge priority - take the Arsenal game for example - hes playing Flamini and Song together in central midfield, Eboue at right back and Almunia in goal whilst resting a few players (Lauren, Silva, Fabregas, Lehman, Bergkamp, Van Persie) though Henry is playing. Thun ran Arsenal close at Highbury but have been really poor recently and lost to second bottom in Swiss League at the weekend however a draw may get them a place in the UEFA cup - heart says Arsenal, head says leave well alone!

Group A

Bayern and Juve both 1.2 ish shots at home tonight - if both win or draw both are through irrelevant of final round of games though that will decide who wins the group. A Bruge win at Juve would make the group wide open

Group B

Arsenal already through and a point wins them the group, Ajax need a win or Thun to lose to qualify

Group C

Barca already qualified and pretty much assured to win the group (6 points clear and awesome goal diff), other 3 sides all on 4 points so plenty to play for for second place

Group D

2 points separate the whole group so all 4 sides can still qualify

fundy we wont know until the draw is made if it is an advantage finishing top if you finish second you risk getting drawn to barca apart from spanish sides.

First thoughts

Arsenal at 1.95 look a big price but as previously mentioned their desire may be questionable and a week central midfield will hamper. However, Henry could tear Thun to pieces - think Arsenal will win but not convinced Im a backer - will watch first 5/10 mins

Man Utd look way too short at 1.58. A must win game for Utd, Villareal would be much the happier with the draw as they currently head the group and are at home to Lille in the final round whilst United travel to Benefica. Vilareal currently unbeaten in the CL this year whilst United have won only once. United will be out to prove a point after the Keane scenario and Fergie will have them fired up. United have Neville back from injury whilst Giggs, Fortune, Heinze and Saha are all missing, Villareal are missing Juan Roman Riquelme and Diego Forlan - may lay Utd and back under 2.5 goals (though 1.75 a bit skinny)

Valid point Woodie, though Wenger may fancy knocking out Barca in the next round to help him convince Henry to stay lol

I think Arsenal may well start quickly tonight and look to get ahead and then ease up, CL is clearly Wengers no 1 target

fundy just cant be confident with any matches apart from my one above

Not a fan of backing overs at such a skinny price - would rather back unders in the Utd game at the prices.

The two games that interest me most are the two where both sides are both odds against and desperate for the win ie Lille vs Benefica and Panathanaikos vs Udinese - going to have a look into these 2 a bit more

I think the Man U match looks interesting tonight, Man U will have to score and Villa Real will need to stop them. VR have a home leg for the final match in the group so will try and avoid conceding and will let Man U do the work. Should be an interesting battle.

BTW, Lucky on the 15:30, was facing a loss but race cancelled due to fog. A new one for me!

Group C Preview

With Barcelona having already qualified from Group C with ten points from four games, the focus is firmly on which one from Werder Bremen, Panathinaikos and Udinese will join them in the knockout stages.

The Germans face an intimidating trip to Camp Nou to face the Spanish champions, whilst Udinese travel to Panathinaikos in a vital clash for all three sides locked on four points.

Barcelona v Werder Bremen

Frank Rijkaard's troops are currently on an almighty high after their 3-0 drubbing of bitter rivals Real Madrid on Saturday witnessed the unique sight of the Bernabeu rising to acclaim Brazilian superstar Ronaldinho.

Barca are in something of a comfort zone thanks to their solid standing in Group C and as a result Rijkaard is expected to rotate his squad with a number of changes.

Argentine wonderkid Leo Messi and Spanish midfielder Xavi have both been rested for the visit of the German side, whilst Santiago Ezquerro has been recalled to the squad and Brazilian wing-back Juliano Belletti has recovered from injury.

Rijkaard has already signalled his intention to rest a number of heroes from the Bernabeu victory, meaning players such as Ludovic Giuly, Silvinho, Thiago Motta, Andres Iniesta and Henrik Larsson could all be in line for a start.

La Liga top-scorer Samuel Eto'o and reigning World Player of the Year Ronaldinho may be rested, although Rijkaard insists he will be urging his troops to forget Saturday's scenes and secure another three points.

Bremen are also in buoyant mood after the weekend, having destroyed Wolfsburg 6-1 in Die Bundesliga, and coach Thomas Schaaf knows a shock result could hand his side the momentum to reach the knockout stages for the second year in succession.

However, they will have to take on the Spanish titans without striker Ivan Klasnic due to an operation for his appendicitis, meaning Nelson Valdez will continue to partner Bundesliga top scorer Miroslav Klose.

Umit Davala, Tim Wiese and Jelle van Damme are also absent, whilst Leon Andreasen could come in for Frank Fahrenhorst in defence and Petri Pasanen remains a doubt.

Panathinaikos v Udinese

The Greek outfit will be out for revenge after losing the reverse fixture 3-0 in Italy, but their tormentor from that night, Vincenzo Iaquinta, is a doubt for Udinese.

The hotshot, who scored a superb hat-trick back in September, did not train on Monday but coach Serse Cosmi will be keen to field the Italian international.

Cosmi must also contend with midfield absentees as Giampiero Pinzi is suspended and Mirko Pieri is out injured for the trip to Greece.

Pana coach Alberto Malesani is in desperate need of a result after a recent run of poor form, with some fans voicing their discontent at his stewardship.

The Italian will be looking to mastermind a victory over his compatriots but is expected to be without injured defensive duo Loukas Vintra and Mikael Nilsson.

Midfielder Constantinos Charalambides may also miss out as the Greek side look to steal a march on their rivals and stake a claim for second spot in Group C.

Group A Preview

Having reached the business end of the first round of the UEFA Champions League, Group A sees Juventus and Bayern Munich tussling for top spot.

Only goal difference separates the two protagonists but Juve would appear to face the sterner test on Tuesday with Club Brugge, still in contention for qualification themselves, travelling to Turin.

Bayern, meanwhile, host a Rapid Vienna side with little more than pride to play for having already been consigned to the group's wooden spoon.

Juventus v Club Brugge

Fabio Capello's Juve approach Tuesday's match in fine form - Saturday's 4-1 win over Roma saw The Old Lady reaffirm their leadership of Serie A.

But Capello will resist the temptation to rest any of his star turns with Zlatan Ibrahimovic the only absentee after a dismissal last time out in Juve's 2-1 win over Bayern.

Alessandro Del Piero is set to replace the Swede and Capello will deploy an attack-minded formation.

"We won't be playing with an attacking trident," Capello said. "We will play with four - Del Piero, David Trezeguet, Pavel Nedved and Mauro Camoranesi.

"All four have attacking qualities that they will use to maximum effect."

Brugge have enjoyed a profitable Champions League campaign as well and courtesy of a 3-2 win over Rapid Vienna have already guaranteed third spot and Uefa Cup football.

However, the Belgians are only three points behind the joint leaders and coach Jan Ceulemans has not discounted his side's chances of claiming an unlikely passage in Europe's premier club competition.

He said: "We know we are safe [in terms of UEFA Cup qualification] but we are not playing without motivation.

"Now we are in this position, we want more. In football, anything is possible so we will be trying our hardest to progress in this competition."

Ceulemans is also boosted by the return from injury of trio Philippe Clement, Gert Verheyen and Rune Lange with the latter challenging Bosko Balaban for a starting place alongside Javier Portillo in the visitor's attack.

Bayern Munich v Rapid Vienna

The second match in the group would appear, on paper at least, a little more straightforward.

Despite losing the leadership to Juve in their last European engagement Bayern will approach the game confident of dispatching a side who have failed to earn a single point from their four fixtures.

And the Germans' coach Felix Magath will also be keeping a close eye on his team's scoreboard as they seek to overhaul Juve at the head of the group and earn a more favourable draw for the knockout stages in the process.

To do that Bayern may have to rectify a goal difference deficit of four and Magath believes the visit of Rapid will give his side an opportunity to do just that.

"If we manage to score an early opener, we will not just sit back and relax - we will continue to apply the pressure because we need a convincing result to top the group," said Magath.

Bayern's cause is not helped, however, by a potentially crippling midfield injury list.

The influential Michael Ballack is almost certain to miss out with a thigh injury, while Mehmet Scholl has also been laid low with a similar complaint. Ze Roberto is also doubtful for the hosts although Philippe Lahm could return.

His opposite number, Josef Hickersberger, has taken heart from Bayern's selection conundrum.

"I know all of those players very well and the absence of Bayern's skillful midfield trio is a major advantage," confirmed the man who will assume the reins of the Austrian national team on January 1.

The prospects of Rapid becoming the first side to beat Bayern at their new Allianz Arena are diminished, however, by the loss of Axel Lawaree (ankle) and Marcin Adamski (calf).

Group D Preview

Manchester United could go out of the UEFA Champions League if results do not go their way as they face a vital game against Villarreal.

Lille's hopes of qualifying received a major boost when they overcame United last time out in Paris and they entertain Benfica in the other fixture in Group D.

Man United v Villarreal

Sir Alex Ferguson has described the tie as one of the biggest in recent years for his club and, coming so soon after captain Roy Keane's sudden departure, it is difficult to argue against that assessment.

United were on song at Charlton Athletic on Saturday, particularly in the first half, but life without their most influential player over the past decade will not be easy. Ruud van Nistelrooy continues as skipper despite the return of Gary Neville at right back, buoyed by his double strike at The Valley.

Van Nistelrooy will be expected to fire the bullets again, as he does so often in Europe, with Alan Smith continuing to gamely try to fill Keane's boots in midfield. Cristiano Ronaldo hurt his shin in training and his pace and penetration will be crucial on the night so the Portuguese winger will be given every chance to prove his fitness. South Korean Park Ji-sung stands by.

Neville's return should mean the axe for Wes Brown, despite his impressive return from injury. Ferguson may instead shift Mikael Silvestre to left back, play Brown in the middle and leave John O'Shea out.

United's fans are being urged to bring flags and banners to Old Trafford to generate a special atmosphere and make the ground a cauldron of noise on Tuesday night.

Villarreal are without former United striker Diego Forlan and inspirational playmaker Juan Roman Riquelme, who was outstanding in Argentina's recent friendly defeat to England in Geneva.

Roger Garcia is set to deputise for Riquelme but The Yellow Submarines may put the emphasis on defence as they strive to stretch an unbeaten run of 11 games.

Goalkeeper Sebastian Viera is a man on a mission as he seeks revenge for a collapsed move to Arsenal by putting one over The Gunners' English rivals.

Lille v Benfica

Lille come into the game on the back of a defeat at Auxerre but coach Claude Puel hopes that serves as a wake-up call to his side.

There are a batch of injuries for Puel to contend with as Peter Odemwingie, Daniel Gygax and Mathieu Debuchy are all sidelined. Youngster Kevin Mirallas is pushing for a place in the starting line-up but will probably have to settle for a place on the bench.

Former Tottenham midfielder Milenko Acimovic will be a key figure, playing just behind lone striker Matt Moussilou.

Benfica desperately need a win but have suffered a massive blow with the news that Simao Sabrosa has injured his thigh.

The classy Portugal international's probings will be sadly missed as the Liverpool target is forced to sit it out. Italian hit-man Fabrizio Miccoli is fit to play after hamstring trouble and looks set to partner Nuno Gomes in attack.

Quim continues in goal as coach Ronald Koeman urges his team to show the required desire to keep their European dreams alive.

Group B preview

Arsenal aim to continue their 100 percent record in Group B when they face FC Thun.

In the other group game Ajax host Sparta Prague hoping to seal their place in the knockout stages.

Ajax v Sparta Prague

Ajax can book their place in the next phase of the UEFA Champions League with just a draw against Sparta Prague if Thun fail to overcome Arsenal.

The Champions League has provided a welcome relief for Ajax as they have struggled domestically and trail league leaders PSV Eindhoven by 11 points.

Ajax are missing key quartet Ryan Babel, Julien Escude, Angelos Charisteas and Bogdan Lobont through injury.

Czech midfielder Tomas Galasek is also unavailable for Danny Blind as he is missing through suspension.

Markus Rosenberg is pushing for a place in the starting line-up after impressing in last weekend's win over FC Twente.

Sparta Prague go into the game buoyed by their win over Mlada Boleslav last weekend to end a run a six successive defeats.

Defender Pavel Pergl is available again for Sparta coach Stanislav Griga after serving a domestic suspension.

Jan Simak will be given until the last minute to prove his fitness after picking up a slight knock.

FC Thun v Arsenal

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger looks set to rest a number of his key players for the trip to Switzerland.

With qualification already secured Wenger will look to give some of his fringe players a chance to impress.

Arsenal have won their opening four games in the group and another will secure top spot in the table.

Jens Lehmann, Kolo Toure and Gilberto Silva have all been rested by Wenger, while Dennis Bergkamp has not made the trip to Switzerland because of his fear of flying.

Cameroon midfielder Alexandre Song and versatile Ivory Coast international Emmanuel Eboue could feature in Switzerland, along with young strikers Arturo Lupoli, Nicklas Bendtner and Johan Djourou as Wenger shuffles his pack.

Ashley Cole and Gael Clichy are still sidelined through injury along with Alexander Hleb.

In the absence of Cole and Clichy, Pascal Cygan is set to continue at left back.

Nothing other than a win will do for Thun as they look to keep alive their slim hopes of progressing.

Thun are four points behind second-placed Ajax in the race for qualification, but they will be boosted by their last outing against Arsenal when only a late Bergkamp goal saw them lose.

The home side are without captain Andreas Gerber as he struggles with an Achilles problem.