Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Nothing wrong with Mr Benn

Is that a link to the Nazi sites you must feel so at home on?
Or just a Trotskyist site?
Or the peace loving Hizbollah or Hamas sites?
Same thing.
All mindless thugs.
Whatever turns you on.

Charts,

This is the site of the Charity organisations appeal for Gaza.

http://www.dec.org.uk/
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The previous site I only had a brief look at, but it appeared that many were defending Israel's actions.

Were those the thugs, Nazis or Trotskyists you were addressing?


By the way is Rowan Williams a thug.

Moderation please.

I hear that sky news have also considered the proposed appeal that the BBC turned down. They too are refusing to air it.

PS I think Leon Trotsky was Jewish.

Thanks fred - are you running 'jew watch' now?

An interesting video. Fred - are you in the clip they show from Atlanta?

Gausie.

No not looking for Jews. However, in my youth I was interested in Communism. And from recollection thought Trotsky was Jewish and checked.

Interesting also that Stalins youth was spent in an Orthodox Seminary.

Personally, I have often found that the zealots of politics were often previously religious zealots. Also found it difficult to understand how "men or women of god " seem to be able to shed their said beliefs" at the church, synagogue or temple doors.

It was your sweeping statement of "thugs" which interested me.

I am not certain whether you are suggesting I am a Nazi or a Communist

A lot of people think their positions were polar to one another. Perhaps, as usual it is you who are confused.

Not a particularly balanced response. You can do better if you try.

Perhaps, your position represents the problems in the Middle East.

Another thing, which I would like to point out, many members of my wife's family spent a number of years in forced labour camps during WW2, and then had to live under communist regimes.

Some of the relatives were imprisoned for years under a subsequent communist regime.

In my student days I spent 3months studying in a communist state. I am aware of totalitarian and abusive states.


Mean while this is what the present controversies is about:

See for yourself.

For me they seem to be at a humanitarian and non-political group of agencies, although they are supported by people of different religious backgrounds.


http://www.dec.org.uk/

What are you rambling on about now?

What gems of common sense are you trying to purvey?

http://www.dec.org.uk/

Fred

It was your sweeping statement of "thugs" which interested me.

I am not certain whether you are suggesting I am a Nazi or a Communist

A lot of people think their positions were polar to one another. Perhaps, as usual it is you who are confused.

You suggest it is I who am confused, and prove it by referring to my 'sweeping statement of "thugs"'. Yet I made no such statement...... Why did you make this up? Did you dream it? Or are your memory and sensibilities failing you again?

Looks like a transferred epi to me.

Fred, would you care to comment on this video?how can any parent watch it and not be sickened to their stomach of the hatred these hamas parents are learning their children, and how very brave hey Fred, using innocent children as human shields,its sick beyond belief,

are you going to condemn the actions seen in it?please dont answer my question with your own questions, im simply asking you what you think of this video clip,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5D5_m93A0&feature=PlayList&p=4BE322AAE185C01C&playnext=1&index=21

Re-thugs,
I suspect it's merely he thinks everyone who disagrees with him is "them".
He lumps people together into big boxes. It enables him to label everyone without thinking so that he can hate more easily. It's always been like that throughout history. Demonise the "enemy", make them "sub-human", easier to hate, easier to justify atrocities. Link them, "Trotsky was a Jew". Therefore all communists are Jews, therefore murder all Jews and Communists. Typical Nazi subliminal (later overt) propaganda. Also later taken up by the Communists themselves. And employed now by Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Quada, L-e-T and the rest.........not to mention their fellow travellers on the extreme right and the extreme left...........
But hate is blind and hatred cannot see (with apologies to the Bard for changing his words).

http://www.dec.org.uk/

Gausie, I keep on thinking of You and Mr Charts as of the same ilk.

My resonse was in replay to:

"MrCharts - 26 Jan 2009 18:37 - 598 of 610
Is that a link to the Nazi sites you must feel so at home on?
Or just a Trotskyist site?
Or the peace loving Hizbollah or Hamas sites?
Same thing.
All mindless thugs.
Whatever turns you on."

Ruth,
Re- that video.
A case opened at the International Criminal Court yesterday in which a man was accused of "persuading" children to join his army to kill, pillage and rape.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7850397.stm

I have no idea whether he is guilty or not since I haven't seen the evidence.

It's interesting that fred (and his like) remain silent, as he does on so many terrible things like Darfur, on the possibility of Hamas members being brought to trial for committing identical crimes to those alleged against Thomas Lubanga in the Congo.
There is plenty of evidence on that video alone.....................

Gausie

That Mr Benn is OK, albeit before my time. Better offspring than the other one i'm sure :)

Chart and his/their fellow travellers on the extreme right and the extreme left etc..

Interesting rant of possible projection.


Re-thugs,
I suspect it's merely he thinks everyone who disagrees with him is "them".
He lumps people together into big boxes. It enables him to label everyone without thinking so that he can hate more easily. It's always been like that throughout history. Demonise the "enemy", make them "sub-human", easier to hate, easier to justify atrocities. Link them, "Trotsky was a Jew". Therefore all communists are Jews, therefore murder all Jews and Communists. Typical Nazi subliminal (later overt) propaganda. Also later taken up by the Communists themselves. And employed now by Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Quada, L-e-T and the rest.........not to mention their fellow travellers on the extreme right and the extreme left...........
But hate is blind and hatred cannot see (with apologies to the Bard for changing his words).





It is nice to think of you with steam coming out of your ears.

I would think it reasonable for the leadership of Israel (Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni etc.). and the leadership of Hamas or Fatah to be prosecuted in an International court of law for War Crimes or Crimes against Humanity and Corruption.

Also, I would like to see Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Mugabi as well as those responsible for the killings in Darfur, Congo etc. to be tried before and international court of law for War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Corruption.

The problem I find with Darfur, Sudan, Somali, Congo and similar War or Killing Zones is trying to make sense of what is happening (no doubt Charts will find it easy to make a nonsense out of these areas). For me they seem to be almost confused states of banditry, which are often manipulated from outside the states.

But, what I would like to know is, who is financing and providing the armaments for the various groups. I think, if this was revealed, it might provide a useful insight into possible international corruption.



Meanwhile, the address for the humanitarian appeal for the Gaza state is: http://www.dec.org.uk

PS. I would also like the following individuals, if they are alive, to appear in and International Court of Law for Crimes against Humanity.
Osama bin Laden, Aimon Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri.

Steam coming out of my ears?
No, more like sorrow for the suffering in the world - and sadness at a wasted intellect; but not tears for the latter. There can be none for those who drip vitriol and venom.

I'm so glad you now recognise - after my prompting - other terrible things happening in the world.
All of a sudden.
Perhaps one or two things are dawning on you when you reflect on some of the things you have said.
Or perhaps not, maybe I'm being my usual optimistic and forgiving self; or just naive.
Your attempts at "even-handedness" are laughable, not to mention somewhat belated..........
Early in this thread I thought maybe the scales might fall from your eyes, even when you demonstrated complete irrationality. I now realise that is a forlorn hope.
I don't think I will bother reading or writing here again, as it's a waste of time.
I even think the best thing is to hope others come to the same conclusion and leave you in an empty echo chamber to enjoy listening to your own stuck needle and those of your like minded.
And with apologies to Dylan Thomas, you can,
"Rage, Rage, Against the Dawning of the Light".